Something Duolingo didn't teach us....
- Strong, weak and mixed inflections for adjectives.
There are tables on the internet:
I still don't get it. It's too complicated. What case is this sentence? Isn't it nominative?
Yes, it is nominative.
And it uses the mixed inflection, because there is "kein" before the adjective, so "kein" gets the standard plural inflection "keine" and the adjective takes the mixed inflection "grünen" shown in this table: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declension#Mixed_inflection.5B6.5D
They do/will, 8 to 9 rows down I think, adjectives Nominative/accusative/dative. but the point is well taken
It teaches this in the information found at the bottom of the "Colours" unit.
View in a web browser. You should be able to do this on most smartphones if a PC is not available.
Theu should show that on the app as well. I don't see where's the difficulty. It's just static text.
Agreed! I didn't even know Duo provides information as I've only been using the app from day 1
Forget the "mixed" form: just learn strong and weak. Keine is strong here, because it has the der/dieser ending. Therefore grün has to take the weak plural ending.
When the determiner is strong, the adjective is weak. When the determiner is weak or absent, the adjective is strong. This is a much easier rule to memorize, and it is more general too. (E.g. it explains Zwei grüne Knöpfe.)
"Keine is strong here, because it has the der/dieser ending." What do you mean by that ?
The "der/dieser ending" is "the ending that der (or dieser) would have if it were in front of the noun in this sentence". In this sentence we have the plural of "buttons" (Knöpfe), simply in nominative case. So, if we were going to put der in front of it, it would need to be die like all plurals in nominative case (that is, it would need to have the -e ending). Note that this 'ending' (-e) is the same as the ending on keine. When this happens (when the ending of the first thing in front of the noun has the same ending that der/die/das/den/etc. would have if it were there), we say that the word with the matching ending is declined strongly.
...That sounds rather confusing, but I tried to avoid too much technical terminology.
An example of when kein would be weak would be: Kein grüner Knopf ("No green button"). In this example, "button" is now singular, so we'd need der in front of it (with the -er ending). But kein doesn't have an -er ending (because that's how it works), so it doesn't 'have the der/dieser ending', and so it is not 'strong' - we can say it is declined weakly. The implication of this is that the following adjective must 'step up' to have the 'strong' ending - and so it becomes grüner.
Why not Nein? If you go word for word you get "not a green buttons" I am confused
I think Nein is only sued as a yes no question answer, Kein/e/en/etc are used when saying "no noun".
I think you might be able to say "Nein ist die Antwort" since we aren't modifying a noun, actually Nein is the noun here. So I guess Nein is only used when it is a noun or an answer to a yes/no question.
Because (I think) it is an alternate use of the word 'no' in English in this instance. 'No' here does not directly translate as 'nein'. Nein does not have the same alternate use/ meaning. What is really being said is there are none.
This a mixed declension of nominative plural noun. Therefore, the ending on grun should be grun-en.
See the link posted at the top of these comments for more help.
No, I believe this is the nominative form. There are no dative prepositions and no indirect objects.
Because indefinite article, nominative, plural is keine not keinen, whereas if we look at the mixed inflection adjective endings tables, all adjectives need -en in the plural.
Unless there's no article or possessive pronoun. Then it only takes -e, via strong inflection.
Oh... I see! I got mixed up because in my adjective tables, the word Klein was used, similar to kein, and thus I forgot that kein is not an adjective. Oups. Ouf, still a lot to do to memorize all this! Thank you!
Ein , kein - indefinite articles Mein , dein - pocessive pronouns ..take Mixed inflection .
What is the word for buttons that are not clothing related? Like "Don't push the red button!", buttons on an elevator etc.
I google image searched Knöpfe and it was all clothing buttons.