https://www.duolingo.com/DuoKathy

Fewer XP points?

Every day I do a general review. For weeks I have done this and gotten 10 XP points. Today I got 5 the first time and 8 the next? what changed? thanks!

February 13, 2015

42 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/Fateze

Good to know I'm not the only one. It's really frustrating, and I my daily goal being 30 XPs, it's gonna take me a long time to get there. I got 7 and 4 XPs for the strenghtening of 2 skills. And 4 XPs when I got it all right, that's really odd.

Duolingo, could you please stop making wrong decisions?!

February 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/_pinkodoug_

I mentioned this in another thread on the same subject. I'll just paste that response here:

It's definitely an AB test. A new AB test option (web_word_strength_xp_experiment) was added today, or at least some time since I logged the ab_options yesterday morning. The test seems to affect both lessons and skill strengthening exercises, both skill-specific and the global strengthen skills option. XP awards are adjusted based upon the current strength of the material covered in the lesson or review. I've not yet confirmed whether this is based upon the composite strength of the skill being reviewed or that of the individual words (or possibly that of the lexemes to which they belong) covered within the lesson or review. It's possibly a combination of both.

This strikes me as kind of a weird experiment for them to be running. Obviously the goal is to encourage students to work on areas that actually need improvement rather than repeating well-known material, but this strikes me as punitive. I wonder if this might alienate those users more than anything else.

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February 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/tleefowler

Like someone else in this string I set daily XP at 50. My goal has been to do ongoing review and repeatedly work my way back and forth through the tree until I reached something akin to perfection--not too many mistakes. I have reset my goal to 30 and may soon lower to 20. Yesterday it literally took me hours to make it to 50. Too discouraging. I don't have time for this. I will likely turn off the XP counter and change my personal goal to simply reviewing five leaves of the tree a day and call it good.

February 14, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/sc_ville

i'm also seriously considering lowering my daily goal.

February 20, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/RozalynLeslie

I already did that but it's still annoying that they did this without telling us.

February 20, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Olexsa
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maybe Luis can give answer https://www.duolingo.com/Luis

February 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/LiamTown

It appears scaled according to how badly you need a refresher. For example, I just retook a lesson in German that I had previously only completed once, and it had since fallen to a strength of 1/5. Completing this gave me the full 10 xp. By contrast, I just retook a lesson in Spanish where I had 5/5 strength and only received 3 xp for it.

I get the intent here; it's to encourage us to press on, rather than focus on areas where we are most comfortable. However, I also find this detracting as it places a greater reward on neglecting to practice until a lesson has fallen to a strength of 1/5, rather than regularly reviewing.

I prefer to do a lesson multiple times to make sure I have it down instead of just pushing forward for the sake of completing my tree. Does anyone else do this? I feel like this AB test inadvertently discourages users from doing this.

February 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Dasi_

I also do lessons multiple times instead of pushing forward. For me, learning multiple languages, answering without thinking i.e., having the response flow out because it has become ingrained in me, works best. It gives each language it's own space in my brain that I can connect and switch over to instead of tediously serving as my own translator. Like a child learning it's the practice that enhances natural use for me.

Breaking oneself from pausing to translate into your own language, then realizing the meaning, and finally providing the appropriate response, is the hard part. So for me when I get to the point where I instantly respond, immediately knowing what a word or phrase means—that's when I feel I'm making progress. I don't do that when I'm just racing through trees to finish them.

That's dedication and although I'm sure the encouragement is well-intentioned, it ends up being a bit more of a penalty for those that already have enough drive.

February 14, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Samhaintha

I do the same, because it makes sense to me to really know the material before moving on. I could just plow ahead and say I completed the lesson, that section, and even the whole tree. But if I cannot recall any of the material, then I have wasted my time and learned nothing.

I can understand if the goal is to encourage progress, but repetition is valuable, too. And If I spend my entire Duolingo time reviewing, it feels less valued. Especially if it takes me many more than the 17 correct answers to get less points!

February 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/BirdieWolf

Well that is crap. I spend everyday trying to keep things golden and Duolingo would mark them down the next day. And it is always the same skills. I have 5 lesson plans memorized because of this.

February 14, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/RozalynLeslie

Well maybe if they wouldn't un golden our tree so fast we would continue further down the tree instead of always re-gliding every second. You make very good points.

February 20, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/3_pipit

It depends on the tree, doesn't it? Certain lessons in my Swedish tree repeatedly lose their gold but it has never happened on my Italian tree except for once (I had to regild my Christmas bonus lesson - I did it on Christmas then never used any of those words again, until it needed re-gilding!) So it seems that my Swedish tree is a lot more....demanding.

February 20, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/ManOfGer

Not digging this. Feels rather demoralising to do my usual minimal amount of practice and still be only halfway to my daily 50XP goal. I filled the rest up with Timed Practice, but that makes your words decay faster and doesn't seem like a good solution.

I'm considering dropping my goal to 20XP until they end this A/B test (I can't see it actually being something they implement), but I like having a 50XP goal.

February 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/BirdieWolf

Good to know that Duolingo isn't just bullying me.

February 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Snufty

I noticed the same thing when I started practising this morning. However, getting fewer XP points doesn't worry me. I am only in competition with myself and working towards becoming more fluent. I will still do a similar number of strengthening exercises every day regardless of how many points I am awarded.

February 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/GeniusJack

Other people have been experiencing this! This is either a bug, or an A/B test. Did you get many questions wrong when you got fewer XP?

February 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/maxwellkg7

The number of questions you get wrong has no effect. I've gotten a 6, an 8, and a 10 all for perfect scores

February 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/RicardoNester

This seems to me a Bug. And if it's not a bug, it's a stupidity, it's a terrible change, because it becomes disappointing, discouraging. In any case, it needs to be fixed. It's a bad change

February 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/tleefowler

Same experience with no correlation to correctness.

February 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/GeniusJack

If that's the case, in all likelihood, it's a bug.

February 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Ajhihad

I started out really confident and did 20 minutes, but now i know it's to much how do i change how long i do russian?

September 14, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Erebusares

Just noticed this today. Probably a way to get more uses. An update, if you will.

February 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Penbryn

Saturday and Sunday I got the full 10 for review work. Maybe they've scrapped the experiment?

February 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/_pinkodoug_

It's still going on as of 30 seconds ago. This test reduces the amount of XP awarded based upon the strength of the words being covered by the lesson or review session. You got full XP for one of two reasons: you're not a member of the test group or the strength scores for the words you were reviewing were low.

February 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/RicardoNester

Member of the test group? So they decided to put me in that damn test group? =/ Grrrrrrrrrrr!!! I'm Furious! I already have the answer to this test: I hated that thing!

February 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/coldasice26

You have to make changes to improve, and when you are testing things sometimes it doesn't work like you hoped. So I like duolingo constantly changing thing and testing improvement. But this is a failure in the current way.....

February 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/RicardoNester

The important phrase that what you said is "But this is a failure in the current way". That's the problem.

February 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Penbryn

No, neither of your answers apply to me. Last week I got 3 to 8 points for reviews, over the weekend 10. The sections I reviewed were at 4 out 5 for strength. Does Duolingo ever respond to user concerns and explain the seemingly random changes they make?

February 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/_pinkodoug_

They generally don't announce or comment on tests because they don't want to influence results by acknowledging them. The test was introduced last week. The strength of the skills do not seem to be relevant, only the strength scores of the individual words targeted for improvement in reviews or in lessons.

February 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/coldasice26

When I learn a new lesson, I often repeat these twice the days after, but doing it by Strengthen Skill only gets me 3 XP points while I make a lot of mistakes and learn a lot. This does not really make sense. Repetition on these days is essential to really learn it, especially if you mix it with other lessons via the strengthen skills. But this is discouraged by giving only 3 points... I do not see any benefits so far.

February 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/_pinkodoug_

I agree. It's a terrible change for all of the reasons you mention, and more.

February 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/coldasice26

Thank you pinkodoug for your clear summarize in Luis' topic on this so called improvement. It 's a quick fix for the student-teacher problem which causes a lot of other side problems that could even be worse. Practising my just learnt lessons and making a lot of mistakes does not count anymore it seems....a pity....

February 21, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/EchtCoolerTyp

I don't like that change!

I loved the hearts because I got awards for concentrating (that's my main problem, I don't read exactly etc.). On the app, fortunately, everything works out as usual. But on the computer, where it's much faster and easier typing than on the smartphone it almost doesn't entertain me anymore.

So it might be unfair to level up for learning the same 5 words for half a year (for example). But anybody who really wants to learn the language doesn't look on the XPs anyway. Well, except for competing with my friends, we look at how much time the others spent on Duolingo (how many XP gained). Because progress, talent and the difference between making sure to keep already learned words and learn the two words you don't know but also don't need anyway should not matter.

February 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/BMcCarty2012

This is still going on. I got 10 points, 8 points and 4 points respectively, with no apparent rhyme or reason behind the scoring.

Will somebody from Duolingo please explain what is going on?

February 22, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/sduckwor

Yes. What is going on ?

April 25, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/sduckwor

Not only that, I've slipped from level 25 to level 23 in German. Not a happy bunny.

April 25, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/rkwnyc

And did your German get worse as a result?

April 25, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/sduckwor

No, but I have reservations :

1) How are we to know the strength of each word in a lesson ?

2) Multiple run-throughs of the same lesson reveal different usages of any given word and these are immensely useful. The whole lesson cannot be learnt from one pass.

3) The summary lesson at the end of each module does item 2) in spades, more often than not introducing new sentences and contexts not in each lesson on the first or subsequent passes.

Why are we not given encouragement for exploring these rather than just each word strength ?

April 25, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/sduckwor

I feel that the emphasis has shifted away from acquisition and understanding, and toward word count. Me no like.

April 25, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/sduckwor

This will not change the way I learn ( I will just lower the daily target), but it is annoying nonetheless. Also disliked the disappearance of the progress bar. Grumpy

April 25, 2015
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