https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore

Weekly Incubator Update: Tracking Progress from February 8th to February 15th

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Another addition
Just when you think that the incubator basket cannot hold any more eggs, we have another new course that has got started - Yiddish for English speakers. This is the third course after Russian & Ukrainian that will teach a language that is not based on the Roman alphabet. Team Yiddish, welcome to the Duolingo Incubator.

The good gets better
Overall progress at 4.32%! That seems like a record and when this average is for a group of as many as 19 courses, you can tell that there has been massive progress this week.

The major drivers for these high numbers were the two new teams - German for French and German for Portuguese. Congratulations to the two teams! You are true rock stars!

The pace has definitely picked up and a lot of eggs will be ready to hatch during the first quarter. I can see as many as four courses that can get to beta before the end of March. The question is how soon and which will be the first!

French for Portuguese was my prediction back in November and this team has not disappointed me at all :)

New contributors
Yet again there are several new contributors who have joined recently as you will read in the Esperanto update. I also want to give a shout out for my Duo friend, MultiLinguAlex, who has just joined the German<>English teams!

PHASE 1 Progress:

French for Portuguese - 81% | 84% | 87% | 92% (+5)

English for Thai  - 81% | 83% | 83% | 84% (+1)

Esperanto for English - 72% | 73% | 76% | 80% (+4)

Turkish for English - 64% | 66% | 70% | 80% (+10)

Hungarian for English - 75% | 76% | 77% | 79% (+2)

Ukrainian for English - 62% | 62% | 66% | 75% (+9)

German for Italian - 60% | 62% | 63% | 64% (+1)

German for Turkish - 57% | 59% | 62% | 63% (+1)

Russian for English - 56% | 57% | 59% | 60% (+1)

Spanish for Italian - 49% | 51% | 52% | 54% (+2)

Spanish for German - 32% | 39% | 45% | 49% (+4)

French for Italian - 42% | 43% | 46% | 47% (+1)

German for French - (New) 26% | 40% (+14) *

Norwegian for English - 10% | 21% | 28% | 37% (+9)

Romanian for English - 21% | 25% | 26% | 26% (+0)

German for Portuguese - (New) 1% | 9% | 22% (+13) *

Polish for English - 12% | 13% | 13% | 14% (+1)

Vietnamese for English - 4% | 4% | 4% | 8% (+4)

Yiddish for English - (New) 0% (+0)

Average Weekly Progress: + 2.88% | 2.41% | 3.33% | 4.32% :)

* This week's Joint Leaders Extraordinaire
^ The Turkish, the Hungarian, & the Russian teams' progress is as per their own calculation.

Progress Visualized:

Here's what the contributing teams shared during the last week:

luke51991 from Team Norwegian wrote 3 days ago:

We're moving along nicely!

Hei alle sammen!

I am proud to be a part of this unique and wonderful Norwegian language project. If you have not already done so, feel free to view my recent Reddit AMA to learn more a bit more about the Norwegian language and the Norwegian course on Duolingo. The team has been making a lot of progress, and we've been moving along at a fairly good clip of about a percentage per day:

This will fluctuate, and our estimated completion date will fluctuate as well.

We want to devote as much care and attention to this course as possible before we release it into beta. We look forward to keeping you informed about our progress in the weeks to come.

Med vennlig hilsen,

The Norwegian Team

amuzulo from Team Esperanto wrote yesterday:

<3 our team, two new members!

Feliĉan Valentintagon de la Esperanto-teamo! <3

Exciting news today: we have not just one, but two new members on the Esperanto team! Since we are preparing to go into beta soon, we want to have more people on board to help us during this transition.

Our first new contributor hails from Scotland, Ned61. Having spoken Esperanto for over 25 years and a former language teacher himself, he has a lot to bring to the table. He's also in charge of Education on the board of the Esperanto Association of Britain.

Our next new team member, gxeremio, lives in Harrisonburg, Virginia, USA. He is VP of the American Association of Instructors of Esperanto, learned Esperanto 20 years ago and has taught the basics of Esperanto to hundreds of children through foreign language exploratory courses.

In other news, we're sad to see flyver go, but we greatly appreciate everything she's contributed to the course so far and wish her the best!

Selcen_Ozturk from Team Turkish wrote 4 hours ago:

Merhaba :) We are getting closer, we are at around 80% this week!

We have also chosen our TTS. It will be the IVONA voice, Filiz. It is a nice voice in general, sounds usually natural. As with any other TTS, there are problems with pronunciation of some words. We hope to test as many sentences as possible before the release and try to disable the bad ones in advance. We tested almost all possible TTS available online and unfortunately they all had some problems - there is no perfect TTS.

Trang. from Team Vietnamese wrote 2 hours ago:

First checkpoint!!!

Hooray, we passed our first milestone on the road towards creating the Vietnamese tree ^_^! Soon™!

While waiting for the course to come out, you can practice it by joining our Facebook group of Vietnamese here. We are looking forward to welcoming you to our big family :)

Team Vietnam

Nitram. from Team Hungarian wrote an hour ago:

Progress Update 2015/02/08 -> 2015/02/15

Sziasztok,

We progressed quite a bit this week. Current number of words: 1905 (+62 compared to last week). The skill "Accusative Case" has been finished. Percentages:

  • PUB (percentage until beta) --> 79% (+2)
  • PUC (percentage until completion) --> 28% (+1)

(In case you don't understand what PUB and PUC is, please read our previous updates -- for those reading this in jitengore's post: you can find our previous updates here (scroll down).)

Thanks for reading guys and see you next time! :)

TL;DR The good has gotten better! The 3.33% progress from last week has been overshadowed by this week's 4.32%. Another new course - Yiddish - has been started!

The next update is expected on Sunday, 22nd of February at 4:00 pm UTC.

Previous Update 01-Feb to 08-Feb

3 years ago

87 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/G0108

Wow Turkish is already at 80%. Can't wait to learn it. Going to be an awesome course.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Selcen_Ozturk
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we really hope so :) We really think a lot about the concepts, words and sentences we add. Hopefully it will turn out to be great :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TrioLinguist

I'm looking forward to it!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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Yes, the Turkish team has revised their progress estimate and this is an exciting news! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lenocent
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I promised myself I was going to focus on Portuguese and French, but when I realized how soon Turkish would be out, I knew I would not be able to keep that promise. I'll use it as an excuse to try out a few new methods of learning!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/G0108

Nunca para de aprender idiomas. Você pode aprender turco e português ao mesmo tempo :P

3 years ago

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jaja de acuerdo :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GeniusJack
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Yay, Turkish is going to be really awesome! Selcen and Alex are amazing!! :D And Norwegian is still making massive progress! They either have drugs or rocket fuel!

Many congrats, and best wishes, to the new Esperanto contributors!! And look at Ukrainian go, that will be such a fun course!! :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Selcen_Ozturk
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thanks Jack, you will be an amazing user of our course :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GeniusJack
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Thanks a lot! :D It will be hard not to do well, when presented with what will be such an amazing course :D

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https://www.duolingo.com/AlexinNotTurkey
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Oh stop...you're making me blush. :)

3 years ago

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...and on rocket fuel, too! :) Great progress!

dd2927a3e0

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/efisgpr
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Hey what is dd2927a3e0? :) Please enlighten me. :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luke_5.1991
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Thank you, Jack! You got us. We have rocket fuel.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Albrechtion
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Who says they don't have drugs and rocket fuel?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luke_5.1991
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shhhhhh...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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Whatever the Norwegian team has, I want some! ;D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/remoonline
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Nice to see another non-Roman alphabet course. Makes me hopeful of seeing courses in a multitude of Indian languages some time in the near future.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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remoonline, you have spoken what I have always dreamed about!

Talking about Hindi, our team has been rearing to go on the reverse course! Initially we were told that it will start in a matter of a few days only to be told later that the dev team needs more work for the Devanagari alphabet.

Well, we have patience :) and I know that the dev team can do their magic. The question is how soon :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/remoonline
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We will look forward to the first Indian language course :)

I can imagine folks in the IT industry queuing up to sign up for courses in Kannada, Tamil and Telugu as they move around between Bengaluru, Chennai and Hyderabad :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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Absolutely!

And besides Kannada, Tamil, and Telegu, there are several Indian languages - Bengali, Marathi, Urdu, Gujarati, Malayalam, Oriya, Punjabi, Assamese and so on that deserve a presence on Duolingo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India

Multilingually speaking, India is truly a Duo-country!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wilbward
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Do you speak any of the other Indian languages? I imagine a ton of people would benefit from courses branching out from Hindi, like Punjabi<->Hindi or Kannada<->Hindi.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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Yes, I speak Marathi and spotty Kannada. And I can't agree with you more. Duolingo can do wonders for the Indian language courses like the ones you have listed.

My Sanskrit is a bit rusty, but I am quite motivated to brush it up to create a Sanskrit for English and Sanskrit for Hindi courses in the future.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/remoonline
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For sure :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nblaisdell
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Wouldn't they already have everything ready since you guys use that alphabet in Hindi->English? I wouldn't have thought they would need to do anything else.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Morgengrauen
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Exactly my thought, too! Jitengore, could you please explain this a bit more to us?

3 years ago

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I have checked with Team Duo and the answer that I got is they are not ready to teach Devanagari just yet :(

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nblaisdell
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Interesting, did they say anything about other scripts such as Arabic or Chinese?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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@nblaisdell, no I didn't ask about the Arabic or Chinese. I have seen the Dev team quickly overcome several challenges in the past and I am confident that they will figure this out real soon™ :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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I would think so too! But I can imagine there's more under the hood :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vedun
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Hindi for English is soon to come, as far as the rumours go.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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Thanks for wishing for it! We hope so too!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/therealpalumbo

Yes! Polish is progressing!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/endios
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To be honest, the course is progressing all the time (but some things you can not see in the percentages).

3 years ago

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Thanks so much for your hard work. You course developers are my heros. :) Have a few lingots.

3 years ago

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I know! It's so exciting to see it moving again! Polish is such a cool language!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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Thank you for having mentioned me, jitengore. This is another great update and it's just fantastic to see that the figures are climbing each week. I've been waiting for so long to learn Esperanto on Duolingo and it seems that the course will hatch soon (even though the French for Portuguese course will hatch earlier).

And now I'm going to celebrate my 500-day streak. Thanks to all who rooted for me and encouraged me. This community is simply awesome!

3 years ago

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Vietnamese course is making massive progress as compared to previous weeks. ^_^

And yet another week of progress all over the place.

3 years ago

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Yeah, but can you believe that lazy Yiddish team? They aren't even trying, they're still at 0%! One could get the impression, that the course is still in its first week.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/G0108

The sarcasm.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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I am guessing they are in the planning stage. They don't use the Roman alphabet and that might call for some initial planning. This indeed is their first week!

3 years ago

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Lunar New Year, the biggest holiday of the year is coming so I'm not sure about your second part tho :P

3 years ago

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Is that any relation to Chinese New Year?

3 years ago

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You can call it Chinese New Year in China, but calling so in other countries who also celebrate it, that can lead to considerable disagreement

3 years ago

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Fair enough. :P But it is a related festival?

3 years ago

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yes, it is an all in one festival

3 years ago

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I love watching the progress increase in speed during the winter. Hibernate and incubate!!

3 years ago

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@jitengore

Ukrainian isn't based on latin alphabet as well. Thanks for update!

3 years ago

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Yes, thanks for the correction. I will make the edit!

3 years ago

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Can't wait for Esperanto! :D

Congrats to all the teams on their progress this week!

3 years ago

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Me too, me too!

3 years ago

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Just read luke51991's reddit AMA linked above. It's a very good AMA and I recommend it to everyone (even if you're not interested in learning Norwegian), as it gives some good insights into language inter-relatedness, language learning and the mechanics of building a course on duolingo.

He also gives this quite wonderful metaphor for fluency:

Fluency is notoriously difficult to define. In my opinion, it's less like landing on the moon (waking up one day and saying, "I've done it!") and more like "landing" on Jupiter. You can never really touch solid ground, only get deeper and deeper.

I am trying to keep myself to studying only languages that I already have some knowledge of but, after reading this AMA and also being a big Tarjei Vesaas fan, I'm going to be very tempted to try the Norwegian course now when it comes out.

3 years ago

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This metaphor is wonderful indeed.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/efisgpr
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Thanks I'll go read the AMA. That really was a brilliant simile.

3 years ago

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I love the metaphor ;D

3 years ago

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I've only just found these weekly updates and must say that I really can't believe how quickly these courses progress! It is great to see people so focused and passionate about bringing these languages out for us all. I myself am really looking forwards to Esperanto. :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eey91
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Wow it's been a while since I saw a average progres over 4%, congratulations everyone!, and looking forward to FR<->PT =).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ontalor
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This is exciting, can't wait for these courses to start coming out.

I have to be honest though, Yiddish for English speakers is the first time I've really looked at the incubator page and though, "They're going to be teaching WHAT this time?" I'm curious why the decision was made. Irish might seem just as random, but there was a huge community push for it. I don't remember seeing anything like that for Yiddish?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ReidHT
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Yeah, and before Hebrew? That kind of surprised me...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GeniusJack
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Well, one of their team members speaks Yiddish. They're very excited about helping keep struggling (but not unknown) languages alive. And, I guess it was just easier for them to start Yiddish before Hebrew for some reason... maybe because they already have a native speaker on their team.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HappyEvilSlosh
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Well, one of their team members speaks Yiddish.

A clear case of cronyism! :O

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ontalor
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I don't know if providing a free language service to people is something that's really subject to cronyism? Even if that is the reason...it's a free language service. You're joking, right?

3 years ago

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Of course I'm joking! I even included a little face! What clearer indication could I have made? :P

3 years ago

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I am guessing (read: hoping) that the Yiddish team will be experimenting with Hebrew fonts and R>L writing and will clear of the brush off the path, which will make Team Hebrew's life easier in due course!

(can you tell I'm dyyyying for Hebrew?)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/efisgpr
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Thanks for the insight! Also, guys, Yiddish may prove useful for anyone living in/near or travelling to NYC.

It's also, of course, a great bridge from German to Hebrew, one would think.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HebrewLearner

I am so excited for Yiddish! I began duolingo not too long ago and this is the first language for English speakers in the incubator I've ever seen from the start. I cannot wait! I know that they are prepping to start working on the lessons and that is why it marks "0%", but does anyone know how long it usually takes for a team to get going? I heard that the same thing happened with Irish where it took a little bit for it to get going. Thanks!

3 years ago

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They're not using the Roman alphabet, so that may be slowing them down as well.

3 years ago

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Are they definitely using the Hebrew alphabet? <3<3<3

3 years ago

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I guess I don't know, but I'm pretty sure Yiddish is written with the Hebrew alphabet. I know very little about Yiddish other than that it sounds a bit like German.

3 years ago

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I think it's traditionally written with Hebrew letters, but it can be writh in Latin. I don't think there's any kind of standard orthography with Latin letters, though.

I'm really hoping they're going for Hebrew, both because I think it's a gorgeous writing system and because I'm hoping it'll smooth out some of the kinks for when the Hebrew team get started!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ontalor
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I would say give it at least a couple weeks before expecting to see some progress. It takes contributors a while to figure out the whole system, nevermind that this is just something they're doing in the free time.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Romanadvoratrel
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Yiddish for English?!

Edit: and it's flag is the incubator stage 1 egg?

3 years ago

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Yes, I believe so.

3 years ago

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They're still making up their mind about what to use as the flag!

3 years ago

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← is a mathematician.

I know I've hinted at this in the past but I really do think you should be using median instead of mean for the summary of progress. The data points consisting of the progress for the three I can work out are (0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 7, 11), (0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 6, 7, 8, 26) and (0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 4, 4, 4, 5, 9, 9, 10, 13, 14) (I've sorted them numerically to make what I'm about to say more clear). These distributions are clearly skewed: there are a lot of small values and a few large values. In this sort of case in general the median is preferred as a summary statistic over the mean.

Why is this? Let's say I take the first set of points (0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 7, 11) for which the median is 2 and the mean is 2.41. Now let's say I create a new data set by subtracting 1 from all those that have at least 1 progress and adding 20 to the course with the greatest progress to obtain (0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 6, 31). Keep in mind what we're interested in is the average progress of courses. In this case I would argue that you want a summary statistic that reduces because only 1 course is doing better but a whole 14 courses are doing worse! This is reflected in the median which drops from 2 to 1 but not in the mean which actually increases from 2.41 to 2.76.

For your means you have

Average Weekly Progress: + 2.88% | 2.41% | 3.33% | 4.32% :)

Edit: Actually I just noticed I get different means to you (2.88, 2.41, 4.06, 4.32). I double checked and I don't seem to be omitting anything...

The median progress over the weeks is then (2.5, 2, 3, 2) and the mean progress as I calculate it is (2.88, 2.41, 4.06, 4.32). What this indicates is that compared to last week courses this week have generally made less progress, but that those that have made progress have made so much that it is pulling the mean up.

Perhaps if you decide you want to stick with the mean you could do me a favour and include the median as well. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pleurocystites
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For the weekend updates I don't really think of the mean progress as a summary statistic, I think of it as an update for Duo as a whole. If you assert that all courses are equal, regardless of the number of words they teach, then the mean tells you how much work was done in the past week out of all the work that needs to be done. I do agree that the median should be shown when we get to thirty or forty courses in the incubator at once, but right now I don't think it's too hard to follow all the courses with their individual listings so if only one summary is shown, I'm glad it's the mean.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HappyEvilSlosh
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I don't really think of the mean progress as a summary statistic, I think of it as an update for Duo as a whole.

Umm... yeah... you may want to remind yourself what the meaning of summary statistic is.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pleurocystites
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I am aware of what a summary statistic actually is, what I was trying to indicate is that for many people the object of interest is Duolingo as a whole, not a summary of the courses being built. The appropriate statistic depends on the actual question of interest. If the question is "How did a typical course progress this week?" then yes, use the median. Since there aren't that many courses people can follow all the courses and get a reasonable feel for the progress of the various courses and the distribution of that progress. I suspect many people instead ask "Of all the work that needs done for the incubating courses, how much got done?"- the mean answers this question.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/albernegiraffe

I agree that the median is a better indicator of how much progress is being made throughout all the courses (and I think it would be nice to have it included as it is very simple to calculate). However, the mean does show how often courses will be released. For example, if you compare course progresses of 1,1,1,1,2 with 1,1,1,1,20 you get the same median, but a much larger mean. Although in both cases most courses are making the same amount of progress, in the first situation you would expect to see a new course slightly more often than once every 100 weeks, but in the second case you would expect to see a new course once every 5 weeks (something to be much more excited about).

Maybe the standard deviation should be included as well :P

3 years ago

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the mean does show how often courses will be released. [...] (something to be much more excited about).

Excellent point! Both it is. :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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Thanks for the lively debate. I will see what I can do with the next update.

Edit: Actually I just noticed I get different means to you (2.88, 2.41, 4.06, 4.32). I double checked and I don't seem to be omitting anything...

The German for French course started with 26% progress. They had got an initial boost of 13%, so only 13% can count towards their progress for the week. This would explain the difference in the means (3.33 vs the 4.06) that you are showing.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HappyEvilSlosh
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Ah that would be it! Thanks for tracking that down. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/efisgpr
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Hi jitengore & THANK YOU SO MUCH for these reports!

I have a quick suggestion. It would be cool to say this:

"This week witnessed the completion of the equivalent of 82% of a course. That is a rate of 43 courses per year! That's a whole course every 8.5 days!"*

(Actually, it's 82.08%, 42.8 courses, and 8.53 days, respectively.)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ChristianofPeace

Yiddish is very exciting, but I would have loved to see Hebrew first. I truly hope that any political situation going on in Israel would not prevent you guys from adding it.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nblaisdell
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Oh man I just found out I might be going to Turkey... COME ON TEAM TURKISH YOU CAN DO IT!!!!! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RafaRiff
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It is a great pleasure to see both French and German to Portuguese progress so fast, can't wait for them!!!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/niamhwitch
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Thanks for the update! I've been watching the Esperanto progress fairly closely.

3 years ago
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