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Dr. & Mrs. Vandertramp et maison du être.

The passé composé of 17 verbs is formed by combining the present tense of être (je suis, tu es, il est, nous sommes, vous êtes, ils sont) and then adding the past participle of the verb showing the action. Most of these verbs express motion or a change of place, state, or condition (that is, going up, going down, going in, going out, or remaining).

'Dr & Mrs. Vandertramp' is my favorite way of memorizing the house of être. The acronym is as followed.

Devenir Revenir & Monter Rester Sortir

Venir Aller Naître Descendre Entre Rentre Tomber Retourner Arriver Mourir Partir

February 19, 2015

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https://www.duolingo.com/RunningFrog

The way I learned is a little song to the tune of "Ten little Indians." Allé, arrivé, venu, revenu, entré, rentré, dscendu, devenu, sorti, parti, resté, retourné, monté, tombé, né et mort. I supplemented this with the maison d'être.

February 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

Thank you - that is a new one for me. I will give it a go - and see if it also helps me :)

February 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Gavier

I've seen this acronym but find it harder to remember than just remembering the verbs.

I just think of it as Venir and any verbs derived from it (devenir, revenir) but there are plenty more. Then they are generally to do with movement (or staying put!)

It is still the thing I most often get wrong though!

Don't forget that some of these can conjugate with avoir if used transitively:

Je suis monté au dernier étage et j'ai monté les bagages

February 20, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

Here is a list I have just compiled in that regard :
passer : to pass by - mentioned in DrMRS VANDERTRAMMP, and not in 10 little indians.

Verbs that Conjugated with "avoir ou être" leconjugueur
aborder (1er) (être and avoir helper) ;
aboutir (2me) (être and avoir helper) ;
Aller (3em) (être helper) ;
apparaître (3em) (être and avoir helper) ;
Arriver (1er) (être helper) ;
atterrir (2me) (être and avoir helper) ;
changer (1er) (être and avoir helper) ;
choir (3em) ( has 2 forms - see this ) (être and avoir helper) ;
croître (3em) ( has 2 forms - see this ) (être and avoir helper) ;
commencer (1er) (être and avoir helper) ;
convenir (3me) (être and avoir helper) ;
déménager (1er) (être and avoir helper) ;
demeurer (1er) (être and avoir helper) ;
descendre # ( 3em) (être and avoir helper) ;
Devenir (3em) (être helper) ;
diminuer (1er) (être and avoir helper) ;
éclater (être and avoir helper) ;
éclore (être and avoir helper) ;
Entre (être helper) ;
expirer (être and avoir helper) ;
grandir (être and avoir helper) ;
grossir (être and avoir helper) ;
jaillir (être and avoir helper) ;
maigrir (être and avoir helper) ;
monter # (être and avoir helper) ;
Mourir (être helper) ;
Naître (être helper) ;
Partir (être helper) ;
passer # (être and avoir helper) ;
remonter (être and avoir helper) ;
rentrer # (être and avoir helper) ;
rajeunir (être and avoir helper) ;
ressortir (être and avoir helper) ;
retourner # (être and avoir helper) ;
Revenir (être helper) ;
sortir # (être and avoir helper) ;
tomber (être and avoir helper) ;
tourner (être and avoir helper) ;
Venir (être helper) ;
vieillir (être and avoir helper) ;

I am still getting my head around this - but just thought I would contribute this here.
So that makes 40 verbs that use the 'helper' of être ......
There are 16 mentioned in 'Ten little Indians', and 17 in 'Dr. & Mrs. Vandertramp", and are commonly used in 'maison du être' . And there are 31 that can use either être' or avoir - depending on what is meant! With only 9 that ONLY use the helping verb of être.
In light of all that - if this is all so - I feel like sticking with "10 little indians" as an indication of common être helping words. Does this all seem correct to those of you who have mastered french ?
Are there any other verbs that can use the helping verb être for passé composé ?

February 21, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

For more study into this and how it all works ...
For verbs that use être, the second verb must agree in number (singular or plural , ie adding an s ), and gender (masculine or feminine - ie adding an e ) with the subject noun or pronoun of the sentence.
Verbs that use the helping verb avoir have a static verb for the second verb. ie:


Example sentences:
Elle est montée dans sa chambre. : She went up to her room. ( uses the helping verb être )
Elle a monté l'escalier : She went upstairs. ( uses the helping verb avoir )
Elle a monté sa valise : She took her suitcase upstairs. ( uses the helping verb avoir )

February 22, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

What I do not understand with this is why is sa chambre not a DIRECT OBJECT ?

February 22, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Gavier

Hi Linda, I believe that in the sentence "Elle est montée dans sa chambre" "sa chambre" would be "the object of a preposition", in this case the preposition "dans". The direct object has to be acted on directly by the verb. "I ate the cake", "he kicked the ball" etc. Here there is no D.O. She has gone up, she has not done it to anything. Does that help?

February 22, 2015

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Hi Linda,

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What might be making this confusing is that monter (liker entrer) requires the preposition 'dans' in French but not in English. I enter the room/ J'entre dans la chambre. I go up to my room/Je monte dans ma chambre.

If you look again at the sentence in question 'Elle est montée dans sa chambre' there is no direct object for the verb to act on. She went up - this is an action she took, she didn't do it to anything.

If it helps, a Direct Object always answers the question What? or Whom? Whereas the object of a preposition answers the question With what? Into what? About whom? etc. Here 'her room' answers the question 'into what'? (Remember in french she needs to go up INTO her room)

I don't know how clear I'm being - I just typed a much longer answer and then killed the window by acciden!. Honestly, buy the book - someone else on here recommended it to me and it was some of the best advice I've received. It taught me a lot about English grammar which was necessary before trying to apply the same rules to French!

February 22, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

Thanks Gavier ! That gets me a bit further on to sorting it out in my head.
Thanks !
So lest see if I can put this in linda speak ....

preposition : indicates location , which is why dans is a preposition.
Dans - French Preposition is Laura K. Lawless good explanation of dans, which often means " in " when translated to english, but not always.
As it is a preposition, it means ' Elle ' ( she ) is acting on the object of the room - by indicating her location is near the room, and she is in the process of entering it. .. And then my logic gets stuck again.
If a preposition means it is indicating a location - why does that make the room NOT a direct object?
And why does going up and down stairs instead make them a direct object. I would think that stairs are a direct object - so that is why you use avoir.
While the room is an indirect object, because we are using a preposition - which indicates location - that it is the location that is the object of the sentence - not the object of the room.
There must be other and better explanations out there - another rule perhaps ....
So could you say that when a preposition (location descriptor word) is used - and the verb also uses the helping verb of être as well as avoir, then you need to use the être (to be) helping verb ?
This is as you are talking about a state of being - such as being next to something - or you are talking about being in the position of going into something.
While if you are directly acting on an object - such as stairs - you use the avoir ( to have ) verb, which does not have an exact equivalent in english in this sense. ... ( I am still going to have to do some ' meditation ' on this to really understand it ) I am close to getting it I hope ...
And I invite any other attempts to try to explain this, or other example sentences that show when to you être or avoir as a helping verb.

February 22, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

Laura K. Lawless again has a great mention of all sorts of Mnemonic Devices for remembering Être Verbs. Click here She also has a couple of good comparison sentences, as does reverso. See here

Here are some sentences to ponder :

  • Je suis passé à huit heures : I came by at 8:00am.

  • J'ai passé huit heurs sur les ondes : I spent eight hours on the radio. ( les ondes : the waves )

  • Je suis ici depuis huit heures. : I've been here for eight hours

  • J'ai passé la maison. : I have been in the house.

  • J'ai passé 3 jours dans la maison.: I spent 3 days in the house.

  • Je suis monté avant lui. : I arose ( got up ) in front of him.

  • J'ai monté la valise. : I took up ( picked up ) the suitcase.

February 22, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

Thank you again Gavier :)

February 22, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/bilyes

le verb être au présent : je suis tu es il/elle a nous sommes vous ètes ils/elles sont

le verb avoir au présent : j'ai tu as il/elle a nous avons vous avez ils/elles ont

February 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Batomouch

Hello bilyes! * le verbe être au présent : je suis, tu es, il/elle est, nous sommes, vous êtes, ils/elles sont * le verbe avoir au présent : j'ai, tu as, il/elle a, nous avons, vous avez, ils/elles ont.

February 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

Hi Batomouch, by what you are saying, are you saying it is correct to say :
1. le verbe être au présent.

While it is NOT correct to say :
2. le verb être en présent, is not correct ?
or are you making another point ?

February 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Batomouch

Hi lindakanga! Yes "au" présent is correct, "au" futur" too, "à" l'imparfait", etc... and also the correct form about the title is "Dr & Mrs Vandertramp et la maison de l'être" in French.

February 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/bilyes

tu sais pourquoi? parfois je fais des erreur bizarres par ce que dans ma tête c'est "au" mais mes doigts traduite avec des fautes car j'écris tres vite merci d'avance

February 20, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Batomouch

You're welcome bilyes! May I correct you? * tu sais pourquoi ? Parfois, je fais des erreurs bizarres parce que dans ma tête c'est "au" mais mes doigts traduisent avec des fautes... Excellent week-end !

February 20, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

Mistakes are great when we learn from them. We learn more from mistakes that are realized and corrected than we do when we only get things right. We learn nuances that we would not have realized are there.
What is MOST important is that we DO things. That we do NOT allow fear of mistakes, from allowing us to do things. Never feel ashamed of a mistake. Always try to understand a mistake. I believe there is truth in the saying that successful people are ones that have done more mistakes - but ....
- they examine their mistakes
- they try to understand them
- they endeavor by examining and understanding them to not repeat them. And if they do the mistake again - they repeat the examining and understanding process again.
If you had not made a mistake - I would not have learnt a little more about au and en. Thank you for that !
And here is a lingot in appreciation.

February 20, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

Thank you Batomouch !

February 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Batomouch

You're welcome lindakanga! Have a nice weekend ;-)

February 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/bilyes

ah bien merci batomouch mon probleme c'est l'écriture i forget about "ent" and "s" beacause when we write and speak in frensh is different (totalement différent ) entre parenthèse entre parenthèse vous êtes une bonne maîtresse

February 20, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Batomouch

;-) Thanks, I'm French

February 20, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

To hear how they are pronounced, click on the different colored/gray words. To get back here use the back arrow on your browser.
- être : to be | belongs to the 3rd group of french verbs. It is unique in its pattern, and is one of the most important verbs to learn.
je suis : I am | tu es : you are | il est : he is | elle est : she is
nous sommes | vous avez | ils sont | elles sont

Also see the verb avoir : to have. Avoir and être and are also known as helping verbs, as they can be used with other verbs to express different nuances of time or mood.

February 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/ColinSchwarting

However, another way is by looking at an actual picture of the 'mason du être'. A good picture is here: http://academic.evergreen.edu/curricular/french/homework/reference/ETREverb.pdf.

February 21, 2015

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    July 25, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/-TashaJ-

    It's a very useful method :)

    February 19, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/bilyes

    Le verbe aller au présent de l'indicatif : je vais tu vas il va nous allons vous allez ils vont

    Le verbe aller au passé simple de l'indicatif : j'allai tu allas il alla nous allâmes vous allâtes ils allèrent

    Le verbe aller au futur simple de l'indicatif : j'irai tu iras il ira nous irons vous irez ils iront

    February 20, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/jamiemichaud

    Wow, way to get involved Colin!

    April 12, 2015
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