New French Tree! New words/lessons to learn!
We've been working on an improved French from English tree, which is why you may notice that some previously completed skills now are incomplete. This is because that skill may have new words and/or lessons.
We are releasing a new tree, so that we can improve the learning experience. This development allows us to add lessons and words. We are testing this, which is why some French from English learners may not see this change.
Here is the list of the new skills you'll find in the French tree: - Possessives 2 and 3 - Demonstratives 1, 2 and 3 - Conjunctions 2 - Prepositions 2 and 3 - Numbers 2 - Adverbs 3 - Reflexive verbs - Measures
Will the others be expanded as well? Spanish seems to have a remarkably small vocabulary when finished. It could really do with another 500 words or so.
And German - I'd love to see a skill specifically on separable verbs, and maybe a Science 2, considering Germany's presence in the science, technology and engineering fields.
I agree that a person could get through the current German tree with hardly any understanding of separable verbs. They seem very underemphasized. But I don't know if a separate skill is really necessary.
They should introduce more basic separable verbs early on so people can get used to them. anfangen, aufhören, aufmachen, zumachen, ankommen, abholen, and many others are really really common, but don't get much emphasis in the course. I think that some people just see the prefix dangling at the end and think it is a preposition that they don't understand.
I see what you're saying, but to me these verbs have a specific effect on sentence structure and word order which is why I think it would be worth having a skill, maybe a fairly short one of 3 or 4 lessons, that would really highlight the patterns inherent in these verbs.
I think that Aurelia is correct. These verbs are very unique, and a complicated concept for many learners. I know I had a lot of trouble learning them. A short skill, teaching only these verbs, would have really helped me to understand.
enjoy all the changes
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where birds sing in French
a change as good as the rest
Thank you SO MUCH, Jack!! I was feeling grumpy because my beautiful Arbre d'Or looks like a Christmas tree, and your poem reminded me that I'm here to learn French, not take up forestry. Many blessings on your day!
returned from a pleasant stay
each day is a pleasure
as precious as words
The changes look well considered. Much of the new vocabulary are common words that I hadn't noticed were missing (like bonsoir and lapin), and separating demonstratives into three separate lessons at different places in the tree is sure to reduce frustration.
Since the new sections have not yet gone through stabilization (i.e. beta testing), there are a few wrong or overly rigid translations. I highly encourage those who don't mind the chore to go through the new lessons and file error reports. In my experience the Duolingo team have typically been quick and responsive in regard to reported sentences.
One of the new concepts introduced is vouvoyer/tutoyer. Since this has no direct equivalent to this in English, it is a prime example of Luis' assertion of 50 correct translations existing for every sentence. A few moments spent by each user submitting correct variations will definitely help make that lesson (I believe it was in one of the "infinites" skills) more enjoyable for users a few weeks or months down the line. Also the expressions using terms for hair color/colour (in one of the "adjectives"skills) could use more variations.
It can be bit tedious, but I have always liked the fact that ordinary users have a role in writing the courses in this way.
I hope they haven't separated too much. Yesterday I was doing Passive Voice and I got soooooo bored because there were only two different verbs used throughout the first lesson! I understand wanting to strengthen words but there's less boring ways to do this than making you answer the same sentence 5 times per lesson.
(But I dunno if this lesson was part of the update or not.)
wonderful, I am always excited about changes and especially new words (not that I have actually finished the french tree yet XD)
it was probably just a silly mistake but i have to point it out. executed and excited have two very different meanings haha
She's aware of this, believe me. Maybe she's a bit tired because she's building the awesome Spanish for Germans tree =)
Indescribably jealous of the people who have it already :) How long are you planning to test it for, if any rough estimation exists? Thank you so much for doing this, to both the French team and the DL staff :)
I just got this now, so either a very short A/B test, or they are adding people to it as they go?
I'm thrilled to have more French to learn and some new skills to explore. My only teensy little "complaint" is that I had almost exactly 65 lessons left to the end of the tree (and would have finished right on my goal of 1 year). Now that I have 116 lessons left to do, it looks like I need to pick up the pace! ;-)
I have it too, so I'm guessing it's finished :) I wasn't expecting three days, although I'm glad to have it!
That's exactly my question, when do the rest of us get it? It sounds great, and I'd love to have some new French lessons to go through. I've just been refreshing the tree for like a year now.
This should probably be made a sticky for a few days, since it would answer about half of the confused posts today.
This is brilliant. I have been neglecting my French a bit; this the perfect motivator to get back to it:) I am pleased to see it on both the app and the website.
I too would love to see a lesson on seperable verbs added to German. The tree as it is does not cover them enough. And some nice long words would be good too.
First impressions are good. In particular, I like how you have divided the skills for small but common words such as prepositions. While grouping things together is generally good, trying to learn all the prepositions at once is not. This was my biggest issue with the old tree; after breezing through the first 10-15 skills with relative ease, I felt totally overwhelmed by the time I reached the second checkpoint. I'd vote for dividing the Questions skill too.
Thanks, this is great. I strongly agree with the previous poster(s) that the Spanish tree is sorely in need of this kind of upgrade.
Thank you! That's very good news! I hope they also improve the later skills that have no tips and notes and have very few lessons (Past Subj., Past Conditional, etc..). In my experience, it was the hardest part of the tree. Also, please think about a feature to help people who finished the tree to regild it. I want so badly to review the hardest stuff but my tree is all grayed out and I don't know where I should start.
I noticed that I have fewer "words" now. On Tuesday I had 1754 and today I have 1718, despite encountering a couple new words in building my tree. Is this part of the upgrade?
Same thing with me! I am also confused with the changes in lessons. Does it mean that there can be a word added to a lesson I already did? Or is words only added to the last lesson in each category? I would be so sad to miss something :-)
Thank you!! This is awesome!! I can't wait to get this new tree. And I really hope all my other trees will eventually be updated too :D
That's great news for French students! Hope this is very successful and hoping to see other language skill trees expanded in the not-too-distant future!
Awesome, thanks for updating the tree! Unfortunately I'm not in the test group :P
That's great! are there any plans to change the French tree from other languages?
Oh, how very exciting! I hope this means that the other languages will be treated the same way too.... :)
After the initial shock I welcome the change (assuming it's based on logic, experience and/or evidence) but what does 'testing' mean? How likely is it to change back?
I am glad there are more skills to learn, but I feel unhappy about the 27 skills I have to repeat! I'll try to do it fast!
C'est génial pour les étudiants en Français :D J'espère qu'il y aura la même chose pour les autres langues!! Allemand S.V.P? :)
Any intention on preparing new bonus skill for the tree? Like a Dialects (Québequois, for instance).
This is a bad move in my opinion. While adding new content is always welcomed, I would've preferred instead correcting all of the translation mistakes that have accumulated throughout these past months; for example, the past subjunctive is full of inconsistencies that have not been corrected. Many of the lessons in other areas have errors in pronunciation and the translations in some cases are just plain wrong. I'm fearful that those of us who have completed the tree now have to deal with the same mistakes all over again, and going all over the pain of losing hearts, etc., without much gain in extra knowledge.
They have been doing a lot to address sentences that have been flagged. In the past few days I have received close to a dozen e-mails about sentences I have flagged.
Great. In the meantime, I have already started flagging sentences with mistakes in the new lessons!
Happy to report that my tree is back golden again. I had a field day reporting numerous mistakes in the English translation of the new lessons (in addition to the old mistakes from previous lessons that are still there!).
This is great!! I hope other trees (Italian! Only 1800 words and some complicated grammar aspects are kept very short ) will follow this example!
Thank you. Please I just want to ask when will these lessons be available. because I want to finish some lessons to get ready for them. Thank you
Yay! :) but am I the only one who does not have new words or lessons? Hmmm.... But I now have this feature! Also ... I am pretty sure I had possessives 2 .... Oh well.. It is all good!
Yikes, but now almost all my tree branches have gone from complete to incomplete :(
Duo did not simply add new lessons containing new words. The lessons and the words within the lessons are re-arranged. The extensive re-arranging of content makes my existing study notes far less helpful.
Also, Duo re-arranged/revised a lot of lessons in the fall of 2014. It looks like the Sports lessons are now in the pre-fall-revised sequence, with new words added.
Why all the restructuring? Why not add new words in individual new lessons, and leave the previous lessons alone?
I'm delighted with the new words and the constant complaining and downvoting every time I used to politely mention it put me off the site. The website should be about language learning, not completing as many trees as possible and pretending you know lots of languages. Thanks.
Thank you for improving the course but I was happy doing my daily lessons and reaching my goal, I used to practice some skill and do a new lesson each day, but now I would have to work too hard to turn my tree in gold again. I don't like this since I started to work and my schedule only leaves me less than 1 hour off per day to improve my french. In addition, the skills have been reorganized, leaving my .doc file, with all the vocabulary and personal annotations, in complete chaos. I guess all my effort was in vain, now I have to start over and put together all my annotations and skill words from my file.
Thank you guys for the effort but... I am not happy anymore.
Let me just say that I was surprised to see your message about noticing something new on the top of the page when I logged in just now and to see my tree all colored again. I don't mind at all since I have only completed 23 lessons so far (was on 24th, adverbs when this happened) but I was just in here at lunchtime at work and now at home where I practice for a bit. I haven't tried any of the new lessons yet but I am grateful to learn more words and will do more strengthening before moving on. Thanks Duo!
No problem with the idea of expanding the tree, but I'm a bit puzzled by this. I just did my first "new" lesson - Common Phrases - and every word in the lesson it wanted me to redo (the 4th one) was a word I already learned the first time around. I can't immediately see any new words in the other 3 lessons either.
EDIT: And the new, 5th lesson of animals is teaching just two words, making it extremely repetitive.
I am confused with the changes in lessons. Does it mean that there can be a word added to a lesson I already did? Or is words only added to the last lesson in each category (the ones being coloured instead of cold now)? I would be so sad to miss something :-)
hi friend , u make some pictures and that names please do this for new learners
Niiice. Thanks :) I thought I was starting a bunch of lessons all over for no reason lol
Thank you for the wonderful update! It makes me feel like learning French! Merci!
I don't see the changes yet on my tree, but I have a question. If one has already completed the tree, does the trophy remain, or is it necessary to complete the new skills in order to win back the trophy? I would plan to complete them anyway, but I'm just wondering.
Grateful for the new vocab - expanding trees is great! But after the nice, gold of my Spanish tree, my French looks horribly colourful :P
I went from about 9 skills away from the last check point to now past the last check point but lit up like a christmas tree... With a whole bunch of unlearned lessons scattered about... Hoping they ramped down the difficulty of some lessons as some were BRUTAL to get through (adverbs 2 held me back for at least a month or 2 for instance). Good to see Numbers a little higher up the tree, was wondering why that was so far down the other tree when numbers are pretty common in any language.
Looking forward to getting it all golden... maybe even finishing the whole tree!
Thank you! I was starting to lose interest in Duolingo and this has made it stimulating again. I like the changes to the iPad app as well.
I was pleased with the new progress bar - it got me so re-engaged with DL that I finished my languishing tree in less than 90 days. Then, just when I was getting bored keeping my tree golden and doing translations in immersion -- along come this! Excellent, I can't wait to get into all the new lessons. Very heartening (pun intended, sorry!)
Yes. I like how numbers is placed higher in the tree; it should be one of the first lessons.
I send you a mental hug and my brain is now relieved. I thought I was going crazy trying to figure out the changes...need to study hard over the next days to try and cover all the units I now have unfinished! Rolling up sleeves!
I'm finding the new duolingo really much better. Much easier to see progress
Has this happened again, but with most French skills? Three days ago, I had most of my fully gold tree flip to colors with what must be well over 100 lessons now needing "initial" completion to regild it. I keep my tree gold by practicing every day, but am now faced with reporting lots of missing alternative translations while being marked wrong incorrectly and reviewing a great deal of simple material that has no pedagogical benefit to me to get the tree back to gold. I do like the idea of new vocabulary, but I suggest it be grouped into temporary "bridge" lessons with those being the only ones that require completing by continuing learners rather than requiring days and days of redundant, demotivating work to help Duolingo troubleshoot its new lessons. Better yet, this strategy could be followed with only beta testers getting the new lessons until the kinks are worked out.
Since the new lessons are missing so many correct alternative translations, test out isn't a reliable option. When there are more than three missing per skill, you can fail some tests without making errors. I've switched to completing lessons on the computer where I can move faster thanks to a full keyboard and don't have to worry about losing health due to lesson errors. I would prefer that buggy new lessons not have the health restriction in the app.