New skills for the Italian tree?
I just read the news that the French<--English Tree has been improved. They get new words and skills. I hope that the Italian Tree will get an amplification, too! New courses have about 2.000 words, Italian has only 1.808. And new or expanded skills would be also great. Everyone who has finished a tree knows that there is much work left to improve the own language skills. Why not on Duolingo itself?
I hope this discussion can be some kind of motivation for that!
I'm sure that a popular change would be to split the "clitics" lesson up. I am not sure, but I suspect that this isn't trivial to implement because the system doesn't seem to be able to distinguish between different grammatical uses of words, and the lessons are based around collections of words. This might explain the odd introduction of all the different meanings of words like
gli at the same time. (And why I remember learning the number 6 before all the others :D).
I really hope so too. I would guess that French is a test case for updating the tree. I would love to have extra vocabulary.
Also, I have several friends/family members who were addicted to DuoLingo for a short period, but got frustrated/discouraged and quit around the 1k-2k XP mark. I think a lot of their frustration had to do with the way the tree is currently set up. Smaller, more manageable sections may make it easier for people to make it over certain humps.
Although I quit for reasons that didn't have to do with Duo itself, I was pleasantly surprised to come back to the new system that replaced the hearts. It's much better, IMO. I do find the number of lessons in some skills daunting as well though.
I don't see why the trees can't continually be enriched and expanded gradually over time. We're here to learn languages, so the more of the language we learn, the better, right? The only downside I can see is that if a tree gets too long, it might be intimidating to a new user. ("Wow, look at all those lessons—I'll never be able to do all that!)
That's a point. But why not a system of more than one tree? 1. Basic 2. Intermediate 3. Advanced Or something like that...
I think they should definitely trial this, it sounds like it would definintely seperate some of the harder concepts of the language
To me, having a short introductory "lesson" in English, explaining what the Italian lesson that you're about to do is all about, would be far better than a short "notes and tips" section (that appears mainly on the lower/ beginner levels, and not on later lessons).
Example: Lesson Pres. Per (Present Perfect)
In these lessons, the Present Perfect (Passato Prossimo) tense is used in the following situations:
- an action which took place a short time ago.
- an action which took place some time ago but the results of the action are still felt in the present
- an action which has finished but the time period (this year, this week, today) hasn't finished yet
You need to use the words "have", or "is" along with the English past tense during these lessons.
The present perfect is formed in the following way:
Take the present indicative or the Italian verb essere or avere
Now use that auxiliary to have/ to be in the present form and add the past participle of the verb in question
The past participle usually ends with the infinitive plus "ato" (for -are verbs) or "uto" (for -ere or -ire verbs).
However, you will also need to match the gender and quantity of subjects to any verbs that use "essere":
- I have had (ho avuto)
- You have been able to (hai potuto)
- She is gone (è andata)
- It is used (è usato)
- We have come (siamo venuti)
And so on.
I am surrounded by pieces of paper that I've typed notes onto (and an Italian grammar reference book) and, while I try not to refer to them, on the later lessons it usually takes me three or four sentences to get back into the rhythm of the lesson.
Once I'm back into the lesson I remember things, but knowing where to start my own sentences in Italian, when I have all of the choices of tenses there to be picked from, is crippling.
In English, the present perfect is "has/have" plus the past participle. Past perfect is "had" plus the past participle. Future perfect is "will have" plus the past participle. Remembering that simplifies things for me.
How about a 'F U N' skill like 'Tongue Twisters'? Every language has them, and they give great practice for pronunciation/enunciation. My contribution for the Italian Tongue Twister... Vorrei vedere le vostre valigie verde. I would like to see your green suitcases.
[Just as fun as, "Peter Piper Picked..."]
I'm all for it, how did you find out the info on total number of words per language?