I want to learn Cantonese, and other really specific languages that are not usually used.
Does anyone want to join me in learning another really specific language? I thought that a group of people could learn the language by searching up online and we could teach each other the languages Duolingo doesn't have. Cantonese is one, any others? BTW, I could teach Chinese if you wanted to! :)
This would be a huge life saver. I feel so left out in my family because me and my siblings can't properly speak or write Cantonese. I'm currently using Mango Language to learn it but I believe it's not sufficient. Again Cantonese in Duolingo will mean the world to me. ~From a struggling absolent
You can do it! As a native Cantonese speaker, I believe learning the language is really fun. I guess it would be difficult at the beginning though as the sentence structure and the 9 tones are confusing to non-native.
Hi Ben, as I said above, there are really 6 tones that need to be learned in Canto. The other 3 are very minor variations used for abrupt stop words. Let's not make Canto sound more difficult than it really it.
Thanks Chris. Here is something you might want to see. Of course, it is in Chinese but I can explain a bit:
So this is part of a curriculum issued by the Education Bureau of the Hong Kong government, titled "Comparison with Example of the Cantonese 9 tones". You can see there is a remark "#" under the table. It basically says "7th, 8th and 9th tones sound like 1st, 3rd and 6th tones, just that they end with suffix similar to English endings -p, -t, and -k respectively. Therefore, some people refer the 'Cantonese 9 tones' as '9 sounds 6 tones' "
It looks like somehow the majority just call it "Cantonese 9 tones", while they actually are 6 tones and 9 sounds.
I never understand why Native Cantonese speakers go out of their way to make Cantonese sound impossible to learn and then complain when more foreigners learn Mandarin. If there was originally 9 tones only 6 are taught now and you pick it up faster than you think if you do a lot of listening following along with the tone markers on jyutping or yale ect. I would say give it a go and you will be surprised how far you can come in a relatively short space of time. I am no expert by any means but I am pretty happy with my progress. Here is a video of me speaking after about 7 months of learning Cantonese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWTtmJeYtWM=1908s
Hi Chris, sure if you want to speak with me about it you can add me on WeChat "truman36". In a nutshell I spend an hour core study time each day with dialogues in books such as teachyourself and living cantonese really disecting it as much as I can and speak a couple times a week with my italki tutor celine. Here is a really useful blog post that completely changed the way I approach dialogues: http://www.iwillteachyoualanguage.com/attacking-language-dialogues/
Apart from that I just spend my downtime watching hong kong dramas/movies and listening to canton music such as beyond or Soler and speaking with friends if I get the chance.
Actually, we native speakers in Hong Kong don't really learn each word like "oh this word is the 4th tone" or something like that... If you immerse in Cantonese, then actually you will get the hang of it naturally. I'm not really sure if this would work for non-native speakers though. Anyways there is just a set amount of sounds for the words in Cantonese, so lots of words have the same sound/pronunciation and when you go on and learn the harder characters, you can just refer to the easier words :)
i mean... it goes the same to mandarin, and many other tonal languages! when i learnt cantonese or mandarin since i was a kid, i didn't rely on any tonal pronunciation markings! but when i tried to learn vietnamese (2 years ago) i had to use the pronunciation and tonal markings, because heck was i supposed to know how to say that word without constant exposure to it! i don't live in vietnam!
Ben, I give you a lingot as well! Hopefully you will help and make this happen!
Just discovered that my public library subscribes to Mango thanks to your post. Thanks. :D
Hi...Native speaker here. I kind of already submitted a request to the incubator... Oops
Hey guys (+ gals)!
I don't have anything that's like Duolingo, but posting Cantonese bitesized lessons on my site here: https://cantolounge.com if anyone's interested.
Cantonese isn't actually that hard to learn for a lot of reasons (logical vocabulary, flexible word ordering, no tenses, no conjugations, no declensions) - it's pretty much just words! So it's definitely learnable, if you have an idea of what you want to learn.
If you have any questions, they're very welcome here! https://cantolounge.com/cantonese-questions/
Happy learning! 加油!
Thank you Vanessa! Hopefully duolingo will add it, and you can help out. I would love to learn my grandmother's first language! I give you a lingot!
I would love to have Cantonese here. I don't think learning characters is strictly necessary, I would be happy to learn just words, sentences, and jyutping.
Sure, why not, go for it. I teach Japanese on tumblr, for instance. Just start one and people will come. Don't get discouraged when you start though, because followers build up slowly. Just write lessons, write things that YOU're learning as well. I've found that teaching helps solidify my own knowledge. Some languages are easier than others to find online learning material, but I'm sure you can find some pretty good resources. :) I taught myself Japanese for free using mostly online materials.
So yes. Go! Do it! Have fun! がんばって！
Can you teach me Japanese? I could teach you Chinese. The two languages are somewhat alike so I don't think it will be too hard.
I would love to learn Cantonese! I understand quite a bit, since my family is from HK, but I don't speak it very well and I can't read or write. C'mon duolingo!
"lol 誰能及我驚天動地 >,<" can be broken down into three parts
"lol" stands for "Laughing Out Loud" "誰能及我驚天動地" is the first line of the chorus of the 武則天 theme song, "眼泪的秘密" ">,<" is the face/smiley when you scrunch your eyes up and pucker up your lips
I give you a lingot in hopes that you may help contribute if Duolingo ever adds Cantonese.
Actually it wouldn't be that complicated. We could start with the romanization with the tones and move on to starting to speak the language.
i already speak Cantonese well, but I'm self-taught, and I always have the sneaking suspicion that I've missed something along the way. I'd love to have a complete course I could speed through to find the gaps and measure success. I understand the writing system is hard, but surely it's a solvable problem. Maybe a separate course for written Chinese, and use Jyutping for the Canto course?
Let's make a start right here: I'll give all my lingots to anyone who posts the 300 most frequently used Cantonese words in jyutping with English meaning along with corresponding characters (traditional characters) with a small intro of how to read jyutping.
Also, how do you give all your lingots away to one person, if it's possible? Or is that not how these things work?
You press the 'Give Lingot' and then reload the page, and repeat until you have no more lingots left
Are you fluent in Cantonese? If so would you be willing to contribute if Duolingo ever incubates it? I give you a lingot, just in case!
Dear Josh, I myself is a native speaker of Cantonese and I didn't realise there was a thing called jyutping until today. We actually type by writing the word or using typing methods like 九方輸入法 or 速成輸入法 and many others. If you want to learn Cantonese, I don't think jyutyping isn't going to help you tbh.
Hi KwokBenson, as someone who is learning Cantonese Jyutping is very helpful. It helps you figure out how words are pronounced and if you listen to speaking and read the jyutping at the same time it really helps you pick up all the words and sounds of the language. I think if you dont learn characters you would limit yourself to an intermediate level but its definately extremely useful starting out!!
Stimmt! Quite a lot of people want to learn at least the basics, enough to get around or connect with certain Cantonese communities in HK, USA, Singapore, Malaysia or even Taiwan... I hope Duolingo has it soon
So I came across this site on the Web, and it's pretty comprehensive IMO. https://cantolounge.com/complete-guide-learn-cantonese/ I think it also clears some doubts about learning Cantonese whether for work or for self-learning uses.
I really want to learn Cantonese . I mean I know titbits, I was in Hong Kong for a while, but to me it feels much more emotive than Mandarin. I love the sound of it when it is spoken. I think I am probably biased, because Cantonese was the first Chinese language I heard, but even if I am quite happy to study Mandarin, I wish Cantonese had an equal level of appreciation when it comes to learning materials, because if Duolingo came out with courses for both at exactly the same time, I know where I would be :)
Maybe we could both search up learning materials online and we could learn Cantonese together! I also want to learn Ningbo language.
Oh I didn't know there's a thread for Cantonese! Duo doesn't even put it inside the options of incubator. If they are willing to put it up I will contribute - Cantonese for English, Cantonese for French, Cantonese for Japanese, and last but not least Cantonese for Mandarin (Of course! I think Cantonese is more different from Mandarin than Spanish is from French.) Come on Duo!
I would love to learn Cantonese because my fiance and her family are from that region of China. It is literally THE language I have been waiting for Duolingo to offer! I love the app for brushing up on my Spanish. It's style and interface really work well for me. It looks like Mandarin is available, but they speak Cantonese 99% of the time. Please offer it soon!
I'm an Chinese-Australian and I unfortunately lost my confidence speaking Cantonese. My family just tell me to watch HK tv shows but I don't find it useful or entertaining enough. I tried getting books or using other apps but I easily lose focus because of my learning disabilities/mental health. Duolingo, I really like the way language is taught here. It's one of the few resources I can stick to. Please start working on Cantonese so I can reconnect with my native tongue. I want to talk in depth with my grandparents rather than nodding in agreement or speaking like a frustrated child who can't find the right words.
I used to know Cantonese when I was younger, but I moved away from all the native speakers. It would be great if duolingo had an option for practicing Cantonse
Same. I can still speak/listen to a beginner level but most of it is currently lying dormant in my brain.
I can speak Cantonese but I can't write/read very much of it. No Mandarin background so no help there. A course on DuoLingo on Cantonese would really speed up the recognition part.
actually you can't really "read" cantonese... cantonese is just a dialect of chinese which means that you can read the words in either madarin cantonese or any chinese dialect
That's not quite true, although you can read standard chinese in Cantonese that would be whats called "Written Cantonese". You can still write down the spoken form, its common in comic books and texting and that sort of thing. Just the majority of important documents new ect would use standard chinese
I would really appreciate it if Duolingo offered Cantonese. I just started a beginning conversational Cantonese course at my local community college and checked Duolingo in hopes of getting extra practice. Was disappointed to see Duolingo doesn't have Cantonese. It's actually not that obscure of a language. It's my understanding there are estimated to be ~70 to 80 million speakers. That's about a hundred times more than the number of people who speak Irish on a daily basis and Duolingo has Irish!
This article might help you a lot: how to immerse yourself without leaving town: http://fourhourworkweek.com/2014/03/21/how-to-learn-a-foreign-language-2/
Any people willing to contribute here? I'm one. Reply if you are too.
I'm a native speaker from Hong Kong who is definitely 10 times too enthusiastic towards my language. I have learning too many languages at the same time syndrome so I delete languages from my profile quite often. I had norwegian on level 6 once but I had lots of languages on level 3 which I then deleted. I'm definitely very interested in teaching people languages though.
I, too, am a native speaker from Hong Kong and I don't mind spending my time on building this course if it.
I would love to contribute as well, I am from Taiwan but I live in Hong Kong and im a native Cantonese speaker.
I would like to contribute. Maybe you can try applying at Duolingo Incubator?
Can you describe the tones in Cantonese? I'm familiar with tones in Mandarin, but Cantonese has quite a few more. In learning mandarin, the descriptions of tones helped me to pick them out more easily. 1st tone: straight, 2nd tone: rising, 3rd tone: fall-rise, 4th tone: falling.
And then can you introduce jyutping?
And just for fun: I always hear that Cantonese-like sentences are more like slang. Can you give me a few examples?
I think perhaps the best tone chart I have ever seen is at wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonese_phonology#Tones It doesn't help too much until you memorize the basics, but you can really see that tone 3 is longer than the rest and that tone 5 falls and rises. These things are missing from most of the basic tone charts, but if you really listen to HK Canto speakers I think you'll notice how good that chart is.
I learned jyutping from CantoDict http://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/essays/jyutping.htm. The only thing you need to know is that when he said something sounds like "a" in English, he means really means English English, not American English. (In Brittish English the "r"s at the ends of words tend to be silent, etc, etc.) CantoDict also has a superb dictionary, but the site owner has disappeared so there's limited possiblity for that site to evolve. :/
Are you familiar with Pīnyīn in general? I'll assume so. Sounds that are the same in Jyutping and Pīnyīn: b p m f d t n l g k h w z c s Sounds that are different: kw: ku gw: gu j: y There is also a new sound, the initial ng ('ng'), basically a ng sound in front; The vowels that are the same: o i u The ones that aren't: yu: ü aa: a New sounds: Vm (V: vowel), Vp, Vt, Vk Oi, Ong (The Pinyin "Ong" is "Ung") eo: /ɵ/ in IPA oe: /œ/ in IPA
Also we have syllabic 'm's and 'ng's.
Tones: 1: High and Flat, like Pinyin ā 2. High Rising, Like pinyin á 3. Mid Flat, Like Pinyin ȧ (No mark) 4. Low Falling / Extra Low Flat, Like Pinyin ǎ without going up 5. Like Tone 2, but a bit lower (Low Rising) 6. Like Tone 3, Just a bit lower (Low Flat)
There are 9 tones. Go online and search for the pronunciation of these words. The number before the word is its tone. 1st and 4th notes are 平, while the others are 仄. 1:芬 (fun) 2:粉 (fun) 3:訓 (fun) 4:墳 (fun) 5:憤 (fun) 6:份 (fun) 7:忽 (fut) 8:發 (fat) 9:佛 (fut) Hope this helps.
I am a Chinese-American and I'm a native Cantonese speaker. I'd love to contribute to a Cantonese course.
Hello I'm also a native speaker from Hong Kong :) I would like to contrubute too!
I give you a lingot! Hopefully this happens. I would love to learn Cantonese!
I already applied but they haven't sent me an email about it... I can also contribute to the mandarin course as well :)
I adore Cantonese, and I would love for it to be a language on Duo. It seems like it would be difficult to implement though, so I don't see this happening anytime in the near future, but it would really be nice to learn this language.
Sounds fun enough, though some spoken Cantonese words only has a very obscure, or depending on the word, archaic or neological, written from, while some don't even have one to begin with. Our written Chinese is more or less same as that of Mandarin, so that's not going to work either.
I am from Hong Kong and I speak Cantonese. Please notify me when we can have Cantonese course and I can help to provide learning materials.
Awesome! Maybe if we get enough contributors Duolingo will finally get started! Please tell your friends to come comment on this thread too. :)
That's fantastic Tom! I hope they add Cantonese, and thank you for volunteering to help. I give you a lingot. I would love to learn my grandmother's native tongue!
Yes I am very interested in learning Cantonese. I would like to become fluent in it some day. Thanks for the help :)
I know Mandarin Chinese is Duo's priority in the Chinese language family, (and maybe, according to the voting guide, the only one the site may ever provide), but I do think a Cantonese tree would be a great addition too, as well as a valuable long-term goal. I understand why it would not be feasible to prioritize it now, since it's spoken by a minority of speakers in the Chinese language family (even though an 80 million minority), and since Mandarin would be the most useful Chinese language for the vast majority of Westerners, but, taking into account all the reasons why people are interested in it, I believe it would be a nice plus in a distant future =]
Besides Mandarin, Cantonese is the most publicized modern Chinese language in native media, the first one many foreigners have contact with in oversea Chinese communities, the traditional language of Hong Kong and, like Min and other Southern varieties, despite having lost many medials, it is a far more conservative language than Mandarin when it comes to syntax, tonal system, initials and final consonants. Its conservativeness regarding these features is also extremely useful for students of Classical Chinese, since they closely mirror those of Middle Chinese, giving more often than not a more accurate idea of how poems from the "Northern and Southern", Tang and Song eras were meant to sound. That's not to exclude the value of the poetry written in Old Chinese, nor that of the poems from the post-Song era not written according to Middle Chinese rime tables, of course. Although this period is usually seen as the golden age of classical poetry in China, I love later and earlier poetry as well. It's just one additional reason, however, of why having Cantonese would be awesome. Cantonese is also extremely useful for understanding how modern loan-words were formed after arriving in China, as most of the commercial activity with Western nations was held in Canton during imperial times.
For all of these reasons, and for many others I did not think of, Cantonese is a very special language, and I'm leaving here my views regarding the benefits of its inclusion, however long it takes =]
While Cantonese can be written in Chinese characters using a lot of Cantonese-specific characters, the writing in characters isn't standardized, and a lot of words can be written with two or even more characters equally "correctly". With that in mind, and as Written Cantonese is pretty limited in use (most people just writing in Mandarin/Standard Written Chinese), a course done in romanization could be good. Either Jyutping or Yale would work just fine, I think.
I'd love to see a Duolingo course for Cantonese based on the standard Hong Kong pronunciations (without lazy sounds, maybe!). As the language of millions of Chinese diasporans around the world, including many in Southeast Asia and in the West, and a much lesser-studied language than Mandarin or even any language on Duo to date (including Irish and Hungarian!), Duo providing Cantonese lessons would give people a wonderful and unique window into traditional Chinese culture.
Beautiful, articulate, and if you are fluent in Cantonese, I'm hoping you will contribute. I give you a lingot!
Sadly, I can barely communicate in Cantonese, but I'm sincerely trying my best! I've been learning for a little under four months now and still have nearly zero listening comprehension. My vocabulary is what's improving the most, and I'm slowly going through some textbooks improving grammar. I hope to be able to speak this beautiful language soon, though!
The Hong Kong Cantonese isn't the standard Cantonese. We add a lot of English within our speech and stuff like that. (I believe the Guangzhou version would be standard Cantonese... I'm not sure) But Hong Kong uses traditional Chinese characters. Meanwhile, other places in China use simplified Chinese. It would be hard if you want to learn the Hong Kong Cantonese. The best way to learn is, of course, to come here and pay a visit.
Traditional characters work better for Cantonese though, because simplified characters were designed to be used for Mandarin and to exclude other Chinese languages. And most Cantonese media comes from Hong Kong now, so as far as general international relevancy, Hong Kong Cantonese in traditional characters is the most important, wouldn't you say?
I want to learn Cantonese! I'm down for mandarin as well, but specifically Cantonese because my grandmother is from Guangdong region and that is what she spoke.
So many people speak Cantonese, but they aren't so widespread as Mandarin speakers, but luckily anyone can find one on internet, and it would be amazing to keep a talk.
Please add Cantonese so that my (Cantonese) wife and I can teach our soon to be daughter. Thank you Duo
Yes! I would love to learn Cantonese using Duolingo. I hope they can make a course available for native English speakers in the near future.
My mum speaks Cantonese, but never taught me how to speak it,I'd love to learn it since it's her native tongue.
You should really start with finding a site to learn the romanization of Cantonese and go from there. I don't think Cantonese is a priority for Duolingo.
Honestly even if duolingo did a course, if you want to seriously learn Cantonese I wouldn't use it. Its good for supplement but you can't learn a whole language from an app. Cantoneseclass101.com and the book teachyourself complete Cantonese are both good starts. and the website has a week free trial with full access
You also really can't learn without immersion. The best thing is to use a service like iTalki where you can have one-on-one lesson with a native speaker/instructor.
I would love to learn Cantonese as well. Where I live, there is a large population of people who primarily speak Cantonese--and the ability to communicate with them would be a very useful skill to have.
Rather than just like moving my hands awkwardly and shoulder movements mixed with a small amount of interpretive dance. Communicating in Cantonese would prolly be somewhat less inclined to cause miscommunication.
There's a possibility I might move to Guangzhou next year. Do they even speak Mandarin there? Or should I just learn Cantonese? If anyone knows, please tell me. I would really like there to be a Cantonese course!
Don't worry, all the people there speak Mandarin. Local people's native language is Cantonese of course but they speak pretty decent Mandarin, especially for the younger generation. Also, Guangzhou is a big city and people from other provinces, who usually speak Mandarin, work there.
But of course, it is always nice to learn the native language when you have chance to be there. ;-)
The main dialect in use in Guangzhou city is Cantonese, but Mandarin is mandatory at school so it would be rare that Mandarin is not understood.
There is also a lot of Mandarin in business and factories, as people from all the nation come to big cities for job opportunity, if business happens to be your purpose of moving there.
It would be good to know Cantonese in order to mingle in local life.
My partner is from Hong Kong and I want to learn Cantonese to be able to hold a conversation with his parents. Cantonese is not offered as a language to learn in my hometown, so instead I attend Chinese mandarin classes, thinking it will be easier to pick up Cantonese in the future. I hope Duo releases a Cantonese course soon. Thank you
My mother, her mother, and her mother before her and so on spoke Cantonese. I grew up without learning it at home and many of the elders in my family are no more. Please consider adding Cantonese to the learning incubator, Mandarin is great, but will not suffice. Thank you.
I have to learn Cantonese. Learning Mandarin would actually be pointless as there are members of my girlfriend's family who do not speak Mandarin as they lived in Malaysia since the fall of the Qing. Their family mainly speaks other Chinese dialects such as Hakka and Hokkien and default to Cantonese as their common language. Younger members of her family speak English so learning Cantonese would be way better to communicate with those that can't and I find Duolingo to be a really good tool as it's interactive.
I'm fluent in Mandarin Chinese and can read/write though for me, I admit with Chinese it's a lot easier to type on the computer (thanks to pinyin) than to actually write by hand. I majored in East Asian Languages in college and went on to live in China for 3 years.
My wife is Chinese and I communicate with her family only in mandarin via WeChat, (and before that, QQ). I've found that they're all fans of Hong Kong music and movies. After watching several Hong Kong movies (especially Stephen Chow), I couldn't help but fall in love with Cantonese itself and wanted to learn. I guess you could say my main goal would be to watch movies/tv shows and sing pop music. My favorite song in mandarin is 笑傲江湖，which has both cantonese and mandarin lyrics. That has helped a little bit. Other than that, I haven't had a specific system that could help me, a native english speaker, learn the tones (9 tones as opposed to Mandarin 4), pronunciation, and structure better.
A cantonese course would be great because it's not limited to just Hong Kong. Ethnic chinese in Malaysia, Macao, Indonesia, and almost every southeast asian country as well as Oceania countries, speak their own type of Cantonese and are able to communicate with Cantonese speakers anywhere. I work in the Air Logistics industry (in NYC) and once played Majiang with local truckers who were from Vietnam, Hong Kong, and other places. They all speak Cantonese as the common language between them (and several, unfortunately, speak extremely limited to no english at all).
Also, by the way, singing is not limited to just Cantonese as a major cultural facet. In my experience, singing in a second language cuts down on the barriers to fluency and helps improve pronunciation. Singing as a tool helps propel the second language learner past that stuttering-lack-of-confidence phase. It's even used in speech therapy for people who stutter in their native language.
Duo Lingo--someday--could incorporate singing contests or group online singing activities. Call it Duo Lingo KTV (KTV is what karaoke is known as in China), if you will, and the mainland Chinese users learning English will worship Duo Lingo for helping them impress their friends/co-workers/family at KTV parties by singing english pop songs.I should also mention that my wife speaks with better pronunciation that most Chinese english-learners. I credit that to the fact that as part of her education at Nanjing University of the Arts, she learned a lot of english pop songs. She is now completing her business degree at Baruch College in NYC.
But I digress. From how I've come to understand Chinese people, if you include KTV with any activity, they will actively participate. I once used Michael Jackson and Beyonce songs to teach ESL classes in China and had considerable success with improved pronunciation, greater vocabulary retention, and less anxiety in the classroom.
FYI, a good app to look at for an example of "mobile karaoke" is Kugou, which is technically only available in the Chinese version of the app store.
I really want to learn some Aaron Kwok songs and become fluent in Cantonese at the same time.
I find that most people who say Canto uses 9 tones are trying to make the language sound harder than it really is. There are really 6 tones you need to learn in Cantonese. While that is admittedly more than Mandarin, it's certainly not a major impediment to learning Canto vs Mandarin. You will notice that JyutPing only uses the numbers 1-6 to represent the tones. See Cantodict (http://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/essays/tones.htm) and the Canto tone chart from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonese_phonology#/media/File:Cantonese_tones.svg). The other 3 tones that people reference are just the sames tones used on words that have abrupt stops.
I am from Hong Kong, native in Cantonese, fluent in Mandarin and English, currently learning German on Duo. I am always surprised by non-Asians who could speak fluent chinese languages (Mandarin/Cantonese). And I really think Cantonese is one of the hardest languages to learn, because of the 9 tones and the different use of words when it comes to written vs spoken Cantonese)
oooh yes. even as a native cantonese speaker (Hong Kong too!), when i read a piece of speech meant to be read in cantonese, i trip up loads more than i would if it was meant to be read in mandarin :) most cantonese speakers don't even write in cantonese, instead write in 书面语, a mandarin-oriented script. cantonese would be extremely hard to teach online on a platform like duolingo for now, much harder than mandarin, but maybe some more audio developments might help when teaching such a tonal language?
Moving to Hong Kong in 2 months and would have loved to have used DuoLingo to teach myself Cantonese
I've been working on doing a Cantonese course on Learnish (http://www.learnish.org) and am posting this in discussions to see about the demand for such a Cantonese course and how many people would actively engage in learning the language.
For those that don't know what Cantonese is, it is a Chinese language (Sino-Tibetan) spoken in the province of Guangdong in China as well as Hong Kong and Macau. A large portion of the foreign Chinese community have knowledge of it, even more than Mandarin.
I just submitted the request like two weeks ago and still haven't heard anything back from them yet :(
Hello there! Though this post was 3 years ago, but here's how most of my friends and I learn Cantonese.
I learn how to understand and speak Cantonese solely via TVB Series though my dad speaks Cantonese as he never teach me :( But of course, you will need basic Mandarin for the subtitles, keep watching and thank me later.
Sifu Cheuk Fung, a master teacher of martial art, told me that everyone speaks Mandarin, but the real challenge is to speak Cantonese! He was somewhat biased, of course, being a native speaker of Cantonese, but when a master says learn Cantonese, you kind of have to learn Cantonese. The Duolingo Mandarin course is great, and I don't see a lot of trouble in just copying the format for Cantonese by replacing pinyin with jyutping and by replacing the Mandarin recordings with Cantonese recordings. We could also learn the extra characters for Cantonese. I see it happening! As an American, I see Cantonese as the American Chinese since it has been spoken here by Chinese Americans since the railroad days, over a 100 years ago. These are old families with rich traditions, and their speech has probably diverted from the Cantonese spoken elsewhere. I would like to learn Cantonese as one of my two Chinese languages along with Mandarin.
Yes, I'd like to see Cantonese as well and it could borrow a lot from the Manadarin course since the characters are the same
I joined Duolingo hoping to learn Cantonese but was disappointed to find only Mandarin was available :( I tried Mandarin a bit but it doesn’t seem to be as similar as I hoped. My boyfriend’s family is from China and he speaks both Cantonese and English, but his parents speak very little English and his grandmother speaks none. I was hoping to surprise him by learning Cantonese so I can communicate with his family. I’m hoping Duolingo will add Cantonese
It’s pretty high up the list of languages I’d like to learn, but I highly doubt Duolingo is the right format for it.
Having extensive experience in learning Chinese, I actually disagree. Seeing how the Russian language course has come out, I now believe that Duo Lingo is perfect for Chinese characters. The only addition it would need is a more structured approach for character learning: one which the online dictionary, Line utilizes pretty well: http://ce.linedict.com/dict.html#/cnen/home
And as far as grammar goes, words have no case declination and therefore don't actually change when speaking. A similarity that holds true in English.
I should also like to point out a method used in Montessori Teaching that utilizes tactile sense and exemplifies the reason why Duo Lingo would actually work better than any other app for learning Chinese characters: using the finger to write strokes of the letter/character. Granted, in Montessori style, a plate or board is used with grains of rice. Other objects are the sand paper letters which also serve as point of reference.
For Duo Lingo, it would be purely look and write since it would be on the users phone.
Anyways, Chinese characters would totally work on Duo Lingo.
I agree, for there is already Chinese for English speakers on Duolingo, so Duolingo should be the right format, also, because I know Chinese fluently, I am very sure that the words of Chinese on Duolingo are correctly written, so it should work on Chinese for English speakers.
Also, Cantonese and Mandarin writing are not different, but I am very sure that the Taiwanese, Hong Kong, Macau and a few other areas still use Traditional Writing. Almost everywhere else, they use Simplified.
(Also, Traditional Writing came first)
You can go to my petition at https://www.change.org/p/duolingo-learn-cantonese-on-duolingo. If you want Mandarin, the petition is at https://www.change.org/p/duolingo-create-a-mandarin-duolingo-course. Thank you. This is one of the ways to suggest a course to Duolingo. The more signatures, the better chance Duolingo will accept!
Yeah I find it helpful if you already have somewhat of a beginning in the language. Even with somewhat of a beginning in Cantonese, it's quite complex for someone to actually learn from that specific site.
Honestly, I would avoid any site that is not using JyutPing or Yale for romanization. But any time invested in learning to read a romanization system should be applicable to future learning. As far as I can see, this is a one-off romanization system. As such, it would help much with standard canto reference sources. Check out the revision sheets from CantoDict: http://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/
Hi I have been learning Cantonese for about 8/9 months now, are you still learning it?
The course should include distinctions between /n/ and /l/, /k/ and /kw/, and also high and high-falling tones (with Yale transliteration in the explanations). Having too many homophones is confusing!
It will be great if Cantonese on duolingo can be achieved. To some extend I believe canto stands on a equal or even higher position in Chinese pop culture as Mandarin.
I've recently discovered Duolingo and tried out their Mandarin courses. And I must say it's doing great! I would love to see Duolingo do Cantonese. They have a unique approach in teaching compared to other websites/apps and I felt like I absorbed the content better here!