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"There is sugar in the sweet."

Translation:Tá siúcra sa mhilseán.

March 3, 2015



When do you use "milseán" vs "mhilseán"? I've seen both on here, and I've confused them a few times.


That's due to lenition rules. Add the 'h' when using a possessive or sometimes descriptive adjective, and the numbers 1-6 I believe.

For example, if I were saying "my sweets" I would say "mo mhilseáin" because I am putting the word after 'my,' which is a possessive adjective. You do the same after namely the word 'sa'


"my" is a possessive pronoun, not adjective. An adjective describes a noun. A pronoun is used to replace a person or noun.


mo is a possessive adjective. While "my" is often described as a pronoun in English, it is usually used as an attribute adjective, not a pronoun (what noun is it standing for?) . "mine" is a pronoun, but the "my" in "my sweet" is an attributive adjective.


I don't understand this sentence. Also, it says "an" or "na" which is "the" so why was I wrong for saying an millis?


i an = sa. Basically, it's already there.


“Sweet” in this sentence is a noun, meaning “piece of candy”.


What's the difference between "sa" and "san"? Does "san" come before a vowel?

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    Yes, that's right; san is used when the next word begins with a vowel.


    A vowel or a vowel sound, for example how san fharraige is pronounced "san arraige".


    To say "There," shouldn't this sentence end in "ann"?


    Just wanted to make sure: "sa" means "in" right?


    i + an -> sa

    sa means "in the".


    Not sure where you are getting the (i + an) -> sa? I do understand what sa means. You have been very helpful in your answers or comments previous, so in no way am I trying to undermine you just trying to understand. Thank you for taking your time explaining things. I appreciate it. I have actually learned quite a bit from your posts.


    How about the entry for the preposition i in the Foclóir Gaeilge Béarla?

    i prep. ... combines with singular article an to form sa before consonant,


    Just to clarify.. I don't use "sa an mhilseán" because "sa" already means "in the", so I'd be saying "in the the sweet", right? Just tryna to paraphrase to make sure i actually understand. Thanks in advance for your patience.


    i means "in", sa means "in the".


    Yes sa an would essentially mean in the the.


    Isn't "sa" short for "ins an"? (into the)


    ins an doesn't mean "into the", it means "in the".

    isteach sa is "into the"


    You are right! But let me look into this "sa" business a bit further. I can't believe it comes from "i" + "an", regardless of what Ó Dónaill's dictionary says.


    Interesting sidenote with historical explanation: ""sa/san/sna" stem from the older form ins an / ins na (these forms are most prevalent in Ulster, comp. Scottish anns an) ".

    (http://nualeargais.ie/gnag/gram.htm in the section on the preposition "i")


    In another lesson, SatharnPHL, you mentioned that milseáin 'isn't lenited becuase it isnt feminine'. Yet here it is lenited. Is this because milseáin is plural, milseán ia singular? Or is it something else entirely. Thanks for any reply you make.


    sa causes lenition.


    Thanks for replying mate. Is this even with masculine nouns?


    "sa" lenites both grammatical genders.

    After "an", feminine nouns are lenited where possible, e.g. an mháthair, an chathair, an phictiúrlann.

    In many languages the article is a gender indicator, e.g. le/la, der/die/das. In Irish lenition of the noun indicates gender.


    Sound mate, thank you for replying, I'll note that down now.


    What do you think? You've already figured out that "milseáin 'isn't lenited becuase it isnt feminine'." but it is lenited after sa.


    so i put in "san milseán" which is what i would use and it accepted it but said there was a typo? Also why hasn't "san" been in here yet


    To quote the dictionary for i:

    combines (i) with singular article an to form sa before consonant, and san before vowel or f followed by vowel,

    milseán doesn't "start with a vowel or f followed by vowel"


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