https://www.duolingo.com/billnben

"Il parle des robes."

December 15, 2012

23 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/billnben

He talks about dresses

December 15, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/marziotta

Another translation could be shown as well: "They talk about dresses", since "il parle des robes" and "ils parlent des robes" have more or less the same sound.

February 9, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/remigio.chilaule

so "il parle" and "ils parlent" have the same sound, so both translations are acceptable. But what about "des robes" and "de robe" both also have the same sound, could the translation then also be "he talks about the dress" instead of "dresses"?

March 11, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/northernguy

de and des are fairly easy to distinguish between even with the duo robot.

Go to Google Translate for practice at hearing the sounds of simple words like de and des.

Google Translate should not be taken as a final authority on how to pronounce French. But it does help you learn what you should be listening for.

March 11, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/karinaee

I don't really understand what "des" is... I mean... it is ABOUT and it has also further meanings... doesn't it?

January 26, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/treehouse

Good point. I believe it is more literally "of", or "of the" or "of some". "He speaks of dresses" would be an old-fashioned way of saying "He speaks about dresses". "Les robes" is "the dresses", and "of" would often be transleted by "de". But when "de" comes before "les", the two are combined into "des" - you don't say "de les".

January 27, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/northernguy

Of course, there is always the consideration that des when used as some is shortened when in front of an adjective so that it becomes de.

February 10, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/treehouse

That's interesting, thanks. Also, oddly, "He speaks about dresses" (or "of", or "talks") is translated by google translate as "Il parle de robes." I was expecting to see it change to "de" after adding an adjective. Is it right? As I said, that's google translate, lol. ;)

February 10, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/northernguy

Another rule of thumb that I ran across is: use de (of) when speaking in general as in he speaks of dresses .

When speaking in particular, he speaks of the dresses , use des . Here he is speaking of all examples of something in particular. of the/de les is contracted to read des.

On the basis of what I have read the only way to be absolutely sure which is correct is to be absolutely sure of the context. Even then it can be dicey.

Given Duo's use of fragments of speech that make it pretty hard to establish the exact context, many times either answer is correct even if Duo says it's not (on the basis of the information provided). Of course, Duo isn't trying to teach undoing linguistic knots but simply exposing students to different uses.

Whatever Duo's purpose they have certainly have caused me to read about du.de, les, des, etc. and speculate about the real meaning of some, about, of etc. more than I ever thought possible when I started French a month ago.

If it's any consolation to anyone it seems that these particular issues are regarded as difficult even for advanced students of French.

February 10, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/reiner.james

can't hear the s. ugh.

December 28, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/Sovtempest

The pronunciation of the article in front of the word is what hints at the presence or absence of the 's'. - "des robes" sounds like "deh robes", while "de robe" has a shorter 'e' sound, almost like what you would say if you were sounding out the alphabet and just saying "d...". - 'robe' and 'robes' are pronounced the same, but 'des', 'de' (and 'du'), are all pronounced differently. It might be hard to hear at first, but your brain can get used to it.

December 28, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/andrecunha

Sometimes you pronounce the 's', sometimes you don't: http://french.about.com/library/pronunciation/bl-liaisons.htm

January 2, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/treehouse

You don't say the s. :)

December 29, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/u83rmensch

why wouldnt it be "spoke"?

January 12, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/treehouse

It could be "speaks" ("spoke" is the past tense).

January 13, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/brandonfrench

it sounds like "ll" and thats what i wrote. it didnt get accepted

January 15, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/KingRyan

no prepositions? it's kinda weird

March 11, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/treehouse

Isn't "de" a preposition?. Here "de" is incorporated in "des", as one does not say "de les". I think it's the other way round - French often requires "of" and an article where English doesn't bother, as in "Vous mangez du pain", literally, "You eat of the bread".

March 11, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/OrangeMamba

I put "he talks of dresses". I thought des meant of or adhering to and if there was a "the" there would be a "la" in the sentence. I don't understand.

March 31, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/northernguy

As mentioned previously in this thread des (de les) means of the when used in this context. He is not speaking of dresses (in general) but rather of the dresses (a particular group of dresses).

We know this because the writer put it as de les which he contracted to des which means literally of the.

Des also has the meaning of some but that usage wouldn't make sense in this sentence.

La is singular and so couldn't be used in connection with robes.

March 31, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/treehouse

Groundhog day - must unfollow discussion!

April 3, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/irisascencao

why does it need the "the"?

April 4, 2013
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