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Now I know what it must be like for non-English speakers to have to learn English...

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...because I am trying to learn Danish. If I had to rely on the sound without the text to help me out, I'd be pretty lost. It's amazing how easy it is to pick up the written language and how hard it is to pick up the spoken language.

3 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/kimojima
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3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mingan8
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This is sounds very interesting. Do you if the student used other methods for distorting the recordings? I assume they were of a reasonable quality (not on a cellphone in a busy street) and basically "ideal". If so, it seems to me like a poor approximation. There's no doubt that the volume plays a role in legibility but I'd vary speed of the speech and/or added different layers of noise (TV in the background at home, office sounds, coffee shop, street traffic etc.) rather than turn the volume down because they seem as more natural (and environmentally valid) to me.

I'm definitely no expert and I'm not trying to claim that Danish is hard to understand (at least not harder than others, each with its own "feature") but the described method just sounds like a very indirect approach. I suppose that the experimenter had better control over volume than ambiguous aspects like speed of the speech (I'm sure there are ways to measure it, maybe it's hard to get untrained speakers to keep some desired speed) or background noise. This would explain the chosen method. Am I totally wrong?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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It depends on what their native language is and their natural aptitutde. If the person was learning Danish and already spoke Swedish (Because of how closely they are related), it would be a much different experience. Are you enjoying Danish? :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/landsend
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What a Swede says about this:

From SSSS comic

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/landsend
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Just to add some background: I live in a German town where Danish is a second language. I learned some Swedish before moving here. I have listened to (but sadly not learned) Danish as a child to a certain degree.

I absolutely agree with the comic.

The vocabulary and grammar are similar. The spoken languages aren't. Danes can understand Swedes quite well, even if it sounds strange (like someone reading a foreign language literally without knowing pronunciation rules; you can at least recognize the words). The other round, not so much (unless they are from Skåne but then they arguably don't speak Swedish in the first place ;-P).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EricGoodem
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I find Swedish so much easier than Danish for this reason - the orthography matches the pronunciation. As an English speaker, I feel like I can't complain too much - like I said, our language puts learners through confusion just as bad as Danish does to me!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mirifis
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I so love this comic.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Snommelp
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I was just about to reference that same comic! Having come to Danish after finishing the Swedish tree, I feel like I completely understand what Emil's saying there.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EricGoodem
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Definitely. I feel a real sense of accomplishment when I get something right to a greater degree than with other languages with shallower orthographies. And since my plan is to go through every single language Duolingo teaches, I plan on completing the tree.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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It looks like you've got a start on quite a few others. How is keeping them apart in your head going? Any tips for folks?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EricGoodem
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I try to focus on one at a time, or two closely related ones. It actually helps with Swedish and Danish. They're similar enough that the effort you have to put into keeping them apart helps you learn them better.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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I read from most people that they like to keep similar languages far apart. I like your take on it though. (I think it wouldn't work the same for me though. @.@)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chaered
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Finished my Danish tree recently, and I agree pronunciation was definitely the hardest part. And that is after having been to Denmark several times in the past.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Honzojd
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I would say it's very easy to learn English, it is the easiest language ever. I wish every language was easy like English, or not? I don't know, I am actually happy ;D I think even people who doesnt want to speak english will learn english just from being and looking around themselves..

3 years ago