Let's Learn Japanese!
Hello guys, I've submitted an application to teach Japanese with Duolingo. I've lived here in Japan almost 9 years and work as a Japanese to English translator. I've also worked as a teacher and I'm really excited about the possibility of helping people out!
Just trying to get a feel for the potential Japanese learning community here: How many of you are looking forward to a Japanese language tree? Are there many of you out there also looking to contribute?
Cheers for your responses! 宜しくお願いします！
Yes, Japanese is one of the languages I am interested in. Absolutely thrilled that you are interested in helping us out! The English from Japanese Beta course is what I have to use now, but I can only do very basic levels and I am sure that once the Japanese from English course comes out that I will be able to progress much more quickly.
Same here, plus using Anki flashcards ( https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/japanese%20core%202000) and books. 'Making sense of Japanese' by Jay Rubin is a good book for a bit more advanced students. Still, I really would like a more structured course that allows me to write full sentences...
I would love to learn Japanese. I took two Japanese courses at my school and I loved them! It is such a beautiful language and I really want to visit Japan. I love Japanese culture so much. I think if Duolingo added Japanese they would get many learners because it is a really popular language :)
I have attempted to learn Japanese for years. While I have some knowledge of vocabulary and verb conjugation, the grammar is, in my opinion, the most difficult part.
I think Duolingo would work because the format is designed to teach sentence structure holistically, which is something I've been missing in past lessons. I would be so thankful to study Japanese on this site!
Apple also has 'Japanese keyboard' additional capabilities. On the other hand I am hoping it could be configured so that as you type using English characters it will shift into kana, like typing "se" will convert into せ on your screen. Either way one would have to know the reading to create the character properly. Perhaps a shift key on the screen could be used for katakana and write セ instead.
Yes, in the apple Japanese keyboard there is katakana, you just have to use the Hiragana keyboard, press shift and write the words in capitals for it to show up as kana. o-sutoraria おーすとらりあ. becomes O-SUTORARIA オーストラリア. Also, when you write sounds in Hiragana, just like on a Japanese keyboard it changes from romaji/english characters and into hiragana (e.g. writing 'imouto' seamlessly and normally with hiragana keyboard:いもうと。If you press space, it will come up with a list of alternatives that you can choose (e.g. Kana, romaji or Katakana alternatives) so that it can change to something like this: 妹
Android supports displaying the characters through unicode and there's also https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.inputmethod.japanese&hl=en
But since it would probably be too cumbersome to ask users to install another keyboard, they could either use romanji ("ka" to represent か) which I wouldn't recommend, or they could do what Memrise does and include their own keyboard within the app to enter characters.
I imagine they would just do the opposite of whatever they do for the English for Japanese course.
I've used romaji to enter Japanese for almost 20 years and haven't found it to be a huge problem (granted, I don't use Japanese on a day-to-day basis). I do the same for Chinese and Korean (I find it much easier to use a romanized entry system even if it takes a few more keystrokes, especially if your keyboard keys aren't labelled). The exception is Korean on the iPhone - because the iPhone brings up the hangul keyboard automatically, I've grudgingly adapted.
I'm a native Japanese speaker, so I guess I could contribute. I just don't know how Duolingo can be used to teach people Japanese. What is the goal? ~ 2000 kanji's? or less kanji's with emphasis on conversational skills? For example, every language tree has a section on "occupations" in Japanese, people would learn words like, 先生、農家、教授、etc ? Well, I guess it can be done if we put hiragana, too. （せんせい、のうか、きょうじゅ）
In any case, I hope the course won't use romaji (writing Japanese in Latin alphabet) at all. From what I have seen, romaji only hinders the learning progress. I would have people learn ひらがな and カタカナ first, then slowly increase the number of 漢字。
Yeah, I was hoping the first couple of units could be devoted to learning hiragana and katakana. Then when the first words are added, perhaps a little drop down 'keyboard function' could work, or you could type your words with English characters and they automatically shift into the characters for writing practice. Then after a word is learned in hiragana, perhaps it can be introduced in the next unit with accompanying kanji along with new sentences? I think the course has been delayed so far because of these problems, but I also think it will be up to contributors to work it out! Very happy to hear from you.
So, I've submitted an application for "Japanese for English Speakers." What you described sounds like Japanese IME. Maybe we can have a link to "how to type in Japanese" ? I guess a basic knowledge of romaji is necessary because with IME or on Iphone, you type as you would in Romaji, then pick the best choice and enter. I just don't want Duolingo to be like one of those textbooks that teach Japanese in romaji. After people are exposed so much with Romaji, they seem too comfortable with them and avoid kanji or even hiragana! Well, you live in Japan so you know how useless Romaji is in real life... I think we can stick with minimal kanjis (don't know how many) but maybe make a bunch of bonus lessons for those who want to learn more kanjis, vocabs, etc..
I think all the kanjis should be shown with hiranaga below them. If people remember hiragana, they can look up the kanji if they forget it later.
You're right! My thought was, looking at the other trees, that the goal could be reading newspapers or Wikipedia articles or webpages. In that case romaji is utterly useless (and it is in general anyway.) I'm just trying to think of a method where people don't have to click the characters individually like the accented characters under the writing boxes of other language trees.
I like the idea of that goal. I can see how people would benefit if they can read Japanese websites by themselves as most of those are written only in Japanese. If Duolingo can implement something like Japanese IME, it would be great. In these days, being able to type/text in Japanese is a skill a Japanese learner should learn, too.
By the way, I haven't read all the posts but how many people showed interest in contributing? I have seen courses with only two contributors so if it comes down to just two of us, we could still create a course in theory. Have you heard anything back from Duolingo after you submitted your application? I wonder how long it takes for them to get back. I hope they think my Japanese and English are good enough haha.
I passed JLPT 1 (old system; before the new 5 level system) around 15 years ago. I definitely can't consider myself a native speaker (it took me 3 tries to pass!), so not sure if I'm qualified to help.
I've always typed Japanese using romaji and I assume that'll be the easiest rather than learning a kana keyboard. I think in this day and age, it would be sufficient for people to be able to recognize kanji (identify the reading and pick the right kanji when typing in romaji/kana). That's how I completed the English from Japanese tree anyway.
I first came to Duolingo precisely to check if there was Japanese. I think it would definitely be successful (besides, the internet is full of people obsessed with manga/anime and all things japanese).
The problem is whether it would work using duolingo's model. I think it could work very well if instead of absolute beginners the user had to be able to read hiragana and katakana as a prerequesite (easy to find a chart, and if there are any mispronunciations the user would quickly correct them thanks to Duolingo!).
I learned japanese for one year (kana only, with the odd very basic kanji like 人), and then tried to learn kanji using an app called iKanji touch that makes you learn kanji by grades and has a virtual card for each one with meanings, radical, example of usage and stroke order, and makes you work on meanings, readings, compounds and stroke order. The app was great however I gave up because without a context (there were examples, but most of them used words I did not know!) I just couldn't remember them all. Only when a kanji that was used in words I already knew very well showed up (ex: gakusei) did I manage to retain them.
So, unless duolingo plans to expand beyond the basic course for each language, I think a japanese course should definitely exist but stick to kana. Duolingo would actually be GREAT for kanji but it would need a course of its own, making us repeat the different readings of kanjis in different contexts to exhaustion.
My idea thus far is to have the first two units teach hiragana and katakana, then later on for example ... The moon is round , we learn つき in one unit, then the word まるい is introduced and one of the selections is 月＝つき, so round in hiragana and then tsuki is incorporated as 月がまるい and in a following skill まるい is taught as 丸い instead. I'm also considering kind of intermediate tiers such as the Italian ones with idioms where you just learn a whole bunch of kanji before moving to the next checkpoint, but of course I would have to check all of this with Duolingo.
Hello! Jeshistar-san. I feel you are considering about this problem very deeply and carefully. If there is a tree learning Japanese for English speaker, it is no similar to simple reverse form of English for Japanese speaker. What do you want to let learners do? ― Reading newspapers, wiki articles etc.? Getting used to kanjis? Speaking normal conversation? ― You seem to look for the most effective learning method with duo. Since I heard your idea “the moon is round,” I imaged a tree. Though I don’t know how you have been studying Japanese with respectable patience, at first you sprinkle the grammars on the small five trees. And then when each little tree has 10 skills and each skill includes 20 kanjis in the appropriate sentences, they can learn 1000 kanjis together with grammar after all. The number of 1000 is an index since we learned these as the foundation of daily using characters at elementary school. In this plan the most difficult points are choosing the words and constructing the sentences. A reference book for Japanese children helps this work but you might still have hard time with it. It needs at least two or three more persons who have ability as well as you have. But if you can complete this huge puzzle, the tree is like “Sagrada Familia.” Japanese is NOT difficult, however, explaining about it systematically is so hard. I don’t have knowledge by your side but I wanted to give you some tips even if these make sense little. I wish my childish English would reach your heart. 色々と考えてみられると良いかと思います。がんばりすぎないように、がんばってください！
コメントありがとうございます、ユッキーさん！頑張ります！ 千字文 is a good goal. I like the idea of adding 20 kanji for each skill. Duolingo's system should act like flash cards so people can remember those characters, then after that we just need to add grammar points and vocabulary. I think some things (like teaching は・が) would be difficult for English speakers, so I want to think of it from the point of what English speakers struggle with when learning Japanese too. I would be very happy if you joined the team! 是非参加してください！
お返事ありがとうございます！ ジェシスターさん（という読みでいいのでしょうか？）。 I’m glad you thought about my suggestion and thank you for invitation to join the team. But actually I wrote the comment with consulting a dictionary for a long time and I struggled with “a” or “the.”(like は・が for you?) My English skill is low level and I don’t have enough time currently. So I can’t join the team. Sorry. But I appreciate your passion!! If you had always the passion with calmness you could find appropriate contributors. “1000 kanji” is only my calculation. Think carefully how it goes “concretely.” When it has some troubles, throw away it at once and tailor another new tree. Waiting time is not loss time. It always gives you a better idea. I think it is meaningful that you sometimes post such a theme that has some reality. The people who are interested in this theme would follow you patiently. When I notice something, I may mention it again. Although you must have been studied harder than me, I said you various things. すみません^^; くれぐれもムリはしないでください。応援しています！
Hey Jeshistar, this sounds like a great idea! I am personally unfamiliar with Duolingo's capabilities, but I wonder if it is possible to have multiple correct answers for an item. For example could "friend" be correctly input as 友達、友だち、ともだち、or even tomodachi? I think that multiple correct answers would make the course more accessible.
I personally dislike romaji, while I admit it has uses, I hope it is not forced on us like it often is with Japanese learning resources.
That's an interesting idea, although I wonder how in future they might also do Chinese language trees. Pinyin? We could stick to Kana, or maybe there can be two language trees, a kana tree and a subsequent kanji tree. My only idea thus far is to teach words in kana like ひと for one skill and then introduce it as 人 for the next skill set.
おひさしぶりです。 (^_^)/ Do you have already a rough idea of example sentences? About these I have no idea because I’m not an English speaker after all, but I can image a tree to let people learn kanji from kana step by step, however, I don’t want to say it now because I don’t want to fix any idea of yours.
Here are various people who want to learn it and just stand the front of the door with curiosity, who have learned it previously, who are learning it now by modern tools … . And what I want to say you is that you try to put up a new thread and calling the people who know the difficulties of learning it. Up to now I have met or seen active learners on duo and I also guess that there are some persons who have learned it although they retired before.
The themes of new thread are two.
What is the most struggled point when you learn kanji from kana? And what do you wish for on duo?
If you plan Japanese tree, what shape is it?
I think it is better to take for a while between the two questions. (In short, there are two threads in the time difference.)
If you have already selected the actually sentences and found out teaching order of grammar points even though only in your brain mistily (maybe for example from reference books you had used?), the discussion would be worth. Even if you have not done it yet, it still makes some sense. I may mention my tree as one idea when I think it is useful for the people.
(Personally I wish more persons who know both languages to join the discussion as well. … Are they busy to learn other languages? I’m a little tired to write English. (´・ω・｀) )
Well … all is if you want.
I've been waiting for a Japanese course to be developed for over 2 years... My life was forever changed when I had a Japanese exchange student come stay with my family when I was 13 years old. Misako was a very kind, sweet, caring girl, and she opened my eyes to the amazing culture of Japan. I would really love it if a Japanese course was developed. I'm dying to learn Japanese. I love anime, manga, Japanese food, and the culture. I want to go there some day, and I think knowing the Japanese language would enrich my experience. Please, please, please someone develop a course for the wonderful Japanese language!
I think adding a Japanese tree would be a really great addition to Duolingo. I studied Japanese for 5 years and traveled to Japan on two occasions, however I haven't studied it in a year and I can already notice my skill level eroding. I really look forward to a Japanese tree so that I can regain my skill and further my knowledge! :)
日本語のコースお願いします! I Really abhor studying from things like Genki, but this, my favorite language learning platform, has never had Japanese available. Yet I'm going to tutor students beginning Japanese and now don't have any efficient daily practice (I've been switching my language to Japanese and reverse-engineering the lesson for English since I took up Turkish a few days ago...)
I should probably disable them, but I got emails with new comments on this thread. One of them brought up concerns with the three writing systems and, without ever being a course contributor before, I have some ideas I think wouldn't require extra coding by Duolingo. The first is to put a link to the hiragana-romaji, katakana-hiragana basic charts instead of trying to teach 60+ characters via Duolingo. The second is something I'm sure python can easily do, but am unsure if a contributor can implement on their own: whenever there is kanji, set it up so furigana (I think called ruby text) shows when the word is hovered over--and then English when clicked, as usual. No kanji is then necessary to know, but users should inevitably learn quite a few just by going through the trees, and most hiragana will be learned. If a contributor knows the ease these can be done, please let me know!
Hi! I'm new here. I came hoping there'd be a Japanese course, for now I'm taking French which, as a Canadian, I already know quite a bit. I will help my French get better until a Japanese course comes out.
I want to also mention that I feel Japanese would really make the site boom. Not only is it insanely good for people in business, with the rise in gaming I find many people want to learn the language for that reason as well.
To the Duolingo team: I really hope this language is installed in the future.
I would be so happy if Duolingo would add in the Japanese language into their tree. I used to study it long ago but my class was stopped because my Sensei is spending most of her time with her family. Not that I'm upset but I do miss my once-a-week escape to Nihon land and just converse in that beautiful language. I've gotten so rusty since I don't really have anyone to converse with. So, I think the Japanese language will be a great addition :)
Hey guys, just letting you know that there is a good site called memrise.com that you can easily learn to learn Japanese until Duolingo does. There is both official courses and fan-made courses, I am currently learning 9 Japanese courses a day. Just look up 'Japanese' to find all of them :) My profile is Bridgett777053 if you would like to see the ones I am learning. I learnt hiragana in four days (though i find it hard remembering a select few and writing them on the spot, i can recognise the whole alphabet) and am still reviewing the alphabet every day to refresh my memory. It's best to start with Hiragana courses, then go on to Katakana, then Kanji (learning words on the way with all of these). Memrise is also great for remembering other things other than languages, too, such as the periodic table. Check it out for now!
Hey Bridgett. Thanks for letting us know about the memrise website. Although there some problems (like the lady would pronounced the character "う" as jinja instead of "u" but the guy is pronouncing it correctly), I think it's pretty good so far. It's nice to be able to brush up on my Japanese again. Can't wait for Duo to launch this course. It would be easier for me to keep track on my progress in one website :)
I have been using DL for 1 year and started learning Spanish while waiting for Japanese (my main interest). I'm a bit disappointed as it seems that there is still no hope for a Japanese course in sight.
I switched to the Mondly App 3 days ago to support my new year resolution to learn Japanese. There is some free part but the subscription is not too expensive for something that is so important to me. It looks like DL, a bit more fancy and feature rich.
I'll probably give up on DL if Mondly does the job.
I agree. I love the Japanese language. I waited for Duolingo Japanese for a long time... and I wasn't completely satisfied with the app when it's out. Its robotic voice seriously annoys me. Then I learned about this app from Reddit called "LingoDeer".. It exceeded my expectation as it does everything Duolingo doesn't do very well with Japanese. It's even completely free and ad-free. You guys should get it before it starts asking for subscription fees, seriously.
I thought it was still in the incubator?!
But staff decided to not use their usual alpha-test method (which inviting up to 3 users inside the incubator and alpha-test it from there) but rather to open if to far more alpha-testers and it seems that, in order to allow that, they had to (technically) open to everybody the course. They just "hide" all links to it but it is open as long as you know how to access it without any link.
However, by not sharing publicly the way to access it, staff clearly shows that they'd like us to not access this UNFINISHED course (except for those that have been selected to be alpha-testers).
Yes, Japanese along with more other Asian languages need to be released, because all of the courses that are currently on the app are just European languages! I personally submitted an application to be a developer for a mandarin course which is probably the most important language for English speakers to learn, I hope others want to do the same.
Check this app out! https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/chineseskill-learn-mandarin/id777111034?mt=8
It's just like duo, but to learn Chinese! Free!
Yes, I was expecting that a Duolingo course might contain all the material needed to sit for the N5, or possibly N4, level without the need for outside study, but if Jeshistar and the other members of Team Japanese think they can go further than that, I would not object.
I don't know if I will ever take the JLPT, but, since the material upon which each level tests (kanji lists, vocab, grammatical concepts etc.) is so widely published, I view it as a common core that foreign learners should be reasonably expected to know
I also have references for frequency of characters and their level equivalent in school, at least for kanji. Here I have access to children's Japanese books to see how they learn their own language/at what level etc. too, so there's that to consider. Yukkiisan suggested adding at least 20 kanji per skill level (which is fine with the flash card-like system of Duolingo, I feel. Yukkiisan suggested 1000, which would bring us to the end of elementary school and to an N2 level. At the very least I'd like to aim for 650, which would be N3.
650-1000 kanji sounds like a good goal for a tree of similar length and subject matter to the existing trees. the only problem I anticipate is that skills such "Medical", "Education" and "Economics", which in European languages feature mostly "free"/"low cost" (i.e. Latin based/ similar to English) vocabulary gains, might require going outside the (approximately) 1000 kanji on elementary education lists. This isn't much of a problem, but it might mean that the 1000ish learned kanji wouldn't entirely match the elementary list.
Nonetheless, kanji are largely their own field of instruction, and people interested in learning the entire "General Use" list or more will go to one of the many other resources devoted specifically to that subject. Personally, I prefer the "Heisig method", but that is mostly because I have already purchased all of James Heisig's books and have them sitting on my shelf. There are many other instruction methods available, and some are arguably better.
Incidentally, I have stopped and restarted studying Heisig a few times over the years and my current number of kanji retained is probably somewhere around 650. Being able to use kanji repeatedly in real sentences (as in a Duolingo course) would be a definite boost to actual reading fluency.
I am also wondering how Duolingo will deal with things like honorifics and the polite/plain verb endings. Duolingo's focus on translating would make it tricky. I suppose you have have stuff like "The dog is big (polite)" (犬は大きいです) and "The dog is big (plain)" (犬は大きい) as the English to be translated but that would be a departure from how Duolingo works.
I think it's safe to stick with です/ます form. It's never rude or overly polite. Inspecting the variations, or learning 敬語 would be beyond our scope. です/ます form is not seen often in written form but once you're familiar with this form, you would have no problem reading the other form (ex. 犬は大きい simpler, but it can sound a bit rude if spoken this way)
Maybe common announcements in the train can be learned in a bonus lesson. People have different purposes for learning Japanese. I don't think learning 敬語/謙譲語 would be of common interest for most people. I looked up on the level for "English for Japanese" course and it's said the level people can gain is about that for highschool entrance exam. That's pretty low, compared to the level people would need for TOEFL, etc... So I'm thinking N1 or N2 would be too advanced. For N1, you need to learn ~2000 kanjis, 10,000 words, 1000 kanjis and 6000 words for N2. N4 looks like the best scope for Duolingo (300 kanjis and 1500 words). It's at the level that you can have useful daily conversations and read/write simple paragraphs. I think this level would be sufficient if someone wants to travel to Japan. (other duolingo courses provide 2000~3000. We could push it to N3, but N2 would be too advanced). I understand people wanting to pass N2 because most Japanese company, if they want to hire a foreigner other than as an English teacher, want him/her to pass at least N2, but he/she will have to put extra effort outside Duolingo. In Japan, we spend 6 years in elementary school to cover ~1000 kanjis and another ~1000 in 3 years in middle school. I met a girl who passed N2 after 8 semesters of Japanese class at a university and I was pretty impressed. That being said, I don't want to discourage anyone from studying Japanese. The spoken part of the language is very easy and you don't need all the kanjis to communicate with the locals besides, I think it'd be a rewarding experience. Japanese love foreigners who try our language.
I would absolutely love if Japanese- pronunciation (auditory), romaji, hiragana, and katakana, was added to Duolingo. To be honest, this is the only truly effective language learning structure/platform that helps me with languages. The style is unique and it helps me. It would be amazing if Duolingo would contemplate on adding Japanese. (Plus, to be honest, I would like to be able to understand anime without the subs and manga without the translation.)
I'm currently studying Japanese on my own to improve my understanding of Anime and because I'm visiting Japan next winter with my friends! I know it takes a while to become fluent but I want to be able to hold a conversation. Duolingo has helped me improve/keep up with my Spanish and I would love to do the same with Japanese!
I actually signed up fro duolingo originally thinking it had English to Japanese to offer as one of it's courses. After seeing that it was not, I was a bit disappointed, but decided to take Spanish and German instead. Maybe if Japanese was available at the time, I wouldn't have even tried to learn other languages haha.
Joking aside, I think Japanese would be a great addition to the duolingo library. I have a feeling it will increase this sites popularity significantly considering the large amount of people in the United States who got an interest in learning the language from anime and manga.
My desire to learn Japanese was what led me to discovering Duolingo in the first place! I'm eagerly awaiting for a JP for EN course. I've found other resources good but I think a Japanese language tree on Duolingo would be the perfect tool.
Wish I knew Japanese, I'd help out! I'd like to learn Japanese more than any other language.
According to staff, this entering on 9-nov-2016 is unfortunately a mistake/bug while they were testing things... :(
But the good side is that this fake-release having been provoked by tests on JA course, it means that they are working on making it possible to have it entering the incub. ;)
I hope this ends up being a thing!! I love Duolingo so much, it's currently the best language learning tool for me. But, sadly, the language I've wanted to learn since I was very little (Japanese) is not on here. It would be a very nice language for people to learn in relation to business or moving to the country in general. It's a very pretty language.
I really hope that this discussion gets approved! After years of having basically no confidence in my ability to learn another language, I decided to make the leap a week ago and start learning Japanese in hopes of moving to Japan and being able to communicate with people fluently after getting a bachelor's degree (I'm 23 years old but put off college for a while). I've been using other resources for trying to learn Japanese, but I really love Duolingo and hope to see Japan added soon. I'll be following this discussion and hoping for updates!
Yes, please!!! はい、お願いします! I can not really contribute anything... since I know so very little. I am almost finished taking a semester of kanji... I believe we only cover 500 kanji. I didn't know ANY Japanese before that, other than Ganbatte, kudasai! ; ) I still do not know my katakana, but I learned hiragana while taking kanji. If there is anything that we English speakers can do to help get this program off the ground, let us know!!!! どうもありがとうございました. : )
I am semi scared of learning japanese because of the new alphabet and how different it is from english but it's one of the main languages i came on duolingo to try and learn so...yes! yes please! is this too old by now? i hope not, i would really love to have japanese on here
Don't be afraid of the alphabet, it's really not scary I promise. I suggest investing in Human Japanese. I am currently using that and not only does it reassure you, it makes things easy to understand and always makes sure you know what is going on before moving on. The alphabet was honestly the easiest thing for me to learn, it's the grammar that I'm a little more worried about. But with Human Japanese as my teacher I'm not too worried :)
I can't wait for this one. I hope they'll add it very soon, I'm sure Duolingo would really help me to finally improve in this language. Same as some people, I studied this language 5 years, and still I'm bad, I don't practice... Please Duolingo, make Japanese a priority <3
I'm a little saddened that this doesn't exist yet. I've decided that really this is probably the best time for me to start learning Japanese since I tend to find so many shows and games I love from there that never get translated and therefore it would just be easier if I could just understand it myself rather than having to hopefully rely on the effort of others (if it's ever even put in)
(For those who already know kana) Why not learn kanji while waiting on Duolingo's JP course? Memrise makes even kanji easy to learn!! This link teaches all first grade kanji with the definition, pronunciation, and stroke order!! ://www.memrise.com/course/167937/animated-kanji-1st-grade/ This course also has audio.
Japanese was my original request when all of Duolingo was non even in B mode for any language......It has been a long wait. If I hadn't listed Spanish as second, i still would not have received an email saying Duo was ready in Beta. I breifly tried learning in reverse (learn English from Japanese, but while that is fun with may languages, it is is way too difficult to learn Japanese that way.
I was very happy to discover the (still developing) course on app for android, since I thought it was going to be much longer before Japanese for English speakers would be available. It has helped me review the hiragana I had learned a long time ago. I like how the program introduces the kanji along with the hiragana. It's true that the audio sometimes doesn't sound correct, but it can be very clear much of the time. The design of the program works well for me and I was surprised how quickly vocabulary came back to my memory, since I took 2 series of classes at Japan Institute over 15 years ago. I have already contributed by reporting errors and also clarifying or correcting some of the information in the lesson discussions with the help of a native speaker.
I just now got the Japanese lessons on my smart phone and tested out of the first section. I couldn't be more thrilled! I submitted a couple of corrections (such as not needing a -th after the number of a date in English!) The pronunciation was very clear, and the use of kanji integrated with kana was perfect and very natural. I am so excited!!
I think we can improve our learning Japanese a lot if we use good materials. During my learning process, I must thank to these resources: App: Dictionary: http://bit.ly/Mazii_iOS Learn Kanji: http://bit.ly/iOS_Janki Read news: http://bit.ly/iOS_EasyJapanese
Website: http://wordgrammar.net/how-to-learn-japanese-effectively/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vsZz_trkiRM9E15qHUptDXQYdPcbuXTWOw_j9fldD7g/edit#gid=0
It'd be great to have Japanese on here, I just finished a 4 year uni degree in Japanese with French but didn't get a good quality Japanese language module for final year and I'm about to start a Master's in French translation so worry about losing my level in Japanese. If it was on here I could keep practicing easily while continuing with French and refreshing German. I was kinda surprised Japanese wasn't on here already when I first joined, considering they had Vietnamese, which is great and all but probably not as in demand as Chinese [Mandarin or Cantonese] and Japanese [and Korean too, though they're working on that now]
I want study Japanese on duolingo! :) But at the moment I'm studying it on memrise... Oh god! Why isn't there Japanese? if it is for the problem of Hiragana, Katakana and kanji... we can solve it :c putting the keyboard in Japanese (?) or only hiragana and katakana if the kanji create problems T^T またね！！ :)
I learnt it for almost three year, but it is easier for me since my first language is actually Chinese, so I know kanji already and lots of vocab sounds very simmilar to Chinese. I'm sure my way of learning Japanese is way too differnet than a native English speaker. The only thing I can contribute might be tips about Kanji, how to write them and how to memerize.
Japanese has always been a language that I've wanted to learn. The biggest discouragement to me was learning Kana and the fact that looking for free places to learn was almost impossible. Nowadays I could probably learn from YouTube (the channels JapanSocietyNYC, JapanesePod101, Ken Cannon, etc.) however Duolingo has always been a huge motivator to me to keep going and keeps me focused and understanding better than videos could. Also, my high school doesn't offer Japanese anymore, and I don't want to pay for Rosetta Stone or go through not-so-well-made apps just to learn Japanese. So obviously I picked some other language, French, and learned a lot of that and learned a lot of Spanish too. So that's all great but Japanese has always had a special place in my heart. I don't watch anime anymore, nor do I live in Asia anymore, but regardless, still an awesome cool language and culture that is beyond cartoons and geography. HUGE YES FROM ME. Can't believe Duolingo doesn't have this language yet, you'd think it'd be one of the first. Just like how it is basically in US High Schools, French, Spanish, German, and Japanese. It would've been cool if those were the first languages to start off with on Duolingo. I'm sure there are millions of people who would love to learn and love to contribute. I don't get how it's not even in the Incubator yet. Well anyways, I'll be following the dicussion, hoping it gets approved!
I'd love to see Japanese on Duolingo. I've tried other online Japanese online courses, but haven't had much luck with them, haven't really enjoyed them and so I haven't stuck with them. Duolingo however, is really enjoyable and user friendly and I think Japanese would be perfect for it.
Yes, please, please, please! I originally joined Duolingo because I wanted to improve my japanese (been taking evening classes for six years, but I'd love some more practice in my own time and pace) - I'd be delighted if it took off! I'm not very skilled, but I'll be happy to contribute whereever I can.
So this post was made a year ago, is this actually going to happen or no? I see a lot of support but so far no updates on how things are going. Was the application accepted? Has any progress been made? I don't mean to sound rude but after a year with no update I'm a little worried that I'm wasting my hope by following a post that may very well be abandoned.
I sure hope this Japanese course comes to fruition sooner than later. It is my number one desired to learn course, mainly because I am interested in Japanese culture and content, and when I visit them in the near future I plan to be fluent. I'm sad to see this request was made more than a year ago and still isn't implemented.
Please duo, make this happen! I'm currently in the Spanish course but would love to learn Japanese.
Japanese would be a pretty cool course to have.
A good idea, I think, would be to have a hiragana topic, then start introducing katakana, and then basic kanji, but have kana (hiragana and katakana) and kanji both be eligible, i.e. 前 (mae) could be written まえ (mae) in an answer and both translations would be acceptable.
Also, a switch like the one for Russian and Ukrainian could be used for sentences to translate to English to be in either hiragana with raised dots between words or hiragana, katakana, and kanji. This all not only adds options for learners, but also makes it easier to make the course because you're not arbitrarily choosing which script to use for each word.
FYI: it has already entered the incubator which means that it's under the process to open: a team of volunteers is already working on creating the Duolingo course of Japanaese for English speakers. The only remaining unknown is how long it'll take them. But they currently estimate it will open to users in May 2017.
I was really disappointed when first joined duolingo and couldn't find a course for Japanese and Korean. There seems to be a Korean for English speakers course, currently in development. I've resorted to learning on my own for a year now, but I really hope duolingo brings out a Japanese course.
One precision in order to avoid potential future disappointment (if the course were to go out later than May 15th): as far as I know, neither contributors (*) nor staff said that it'll "get out" on May 15th 2017.
What is said on the incubator's page
Estimated Completion Date: May 15, 2017
Edited 1 month ago by moeka518
is that one, month ago, the team of volunteers(**) working on the course of Japanese for English speakers were ESTIMATING that they would complete their part of the work on May 15th 2017.
What is the difference with "getting out on May 15th, 2017" ?
- it's only an ESTIMATION and, moreover, made more than a month ago. So it's not an announcement that the team will complete its part of the work before May 15th (and even less a commitment)
- this estimation made by volunteers is only about their work and when they'll finish creating the tree, the course will still need work from staff (adding audio, check that all is working, etc.). And, in the past, this staff's work often took one or several months to be completed by staff.
(*) to the creation of the course
(**) well, not even team of volunteers but contributor moeka518, to be exact.
I really want learn Japanese, it would be great to have it at duolingo!
I think Japanese would be a cool addition, too. I have a question, though. How come Japanese shows up in the incubator but not on the course list? I know it's not finished, but several other unfinished ones show up on the main screen that are even less far along than Japanese. Japanese looks like it's about 60% completed according to the pie chart in the incubator.
Yes, yes, yes. I tried to learn Japanese when I was 12 (1959) and stopped because I didn't have the resources we have today; apps, podcasts, videos, etc. I learned from a "Say it in Japanese" book for travelers. Gave up and only remembered the basics.
I have learned Spanish to intermediate fluency thanks to all those resources, but have always wanted to speak, at least, basic Japanese and then some. Something beyond domo arigato and iia, hai, tabun, and do itashi mashita. Duolingo brought my Spanish to a level unimaginable, I hope you can help do the same with Japanese!!! Do the tree Jeshistar. Nothing to lose. We're waiting.
you can see and follow, for the course "Japanese from English":
- the progress estimated by the team of volunteers creating the course, on the "Weekly Incubator Update" discussions that jitengore publish regularly.
Here for the last one where you'll see the team estimates the progress to 15% (with last update from them about Feb. 19th).
To find in the future the more recent "Weekly Incubator Update", go to jitengore's stream.
- the progress estimated (automatically) by Duolingo's algorthms, on the incubator's page of the course (see this older message here for a link to it), where you'll see the system automatically (and, most of the time, wrongly) estimates the progress to ≈60%.
Those are the two only ways to know about "progress" of a given course.
I am dying to learn Japanese on Duolingo. If I learn a lot, I could relate to whether or not the translator was wrong while I'm watching Ringu.
Are you using the website it an app? On most phones, you can add additional languages to your keyboard (or download Gboard by Google). I'm not sure about the web, though. I haven't really looked into it, yet. Maybe this will help? https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/how-to-install-japanese-keyboard/
Hi! I know your comment wasn't directed to me, but I thought I'd jump in. First, welcome to this beautiful and fun language! I think it's great that you're learning it, and I'm glad that you're reaching out because it's always good to have a support system.
If you're using the app, I would definitely recommend joining a club. Some are very active, and you can ask questions and participate in discussions and online activities. It can be challenging to learn a language on your own, and I really enjoy the community and competition of the clubs.
I personally love the Japanese course, but it's currently only designed to take you to about an N5 level, so lots of us supplement our learning. There are many great resources available, as it's a really popular language.
There are official TinyCards decks for katakana and hiragana (maybe more coming) that will earn you XP, as well as a bunch of user-created ones. And there are dozens of both free and paid applications. Some people have posted guides in the forums or shared recommendations, so you may find some useful information in the Japanese section.
I think you'll find, as I have, that Duolingo has an awesome community of learners who are willing to help, so don't be afraid to reach out. The sentence discussions are also unbelievably useful, so I'd recommend taking advantage of those.
Best of luck to you and happy learning! :)
I hope i don't come too late :)
I'm planning to live in Japan but one of the first step is to handle the language correctly (majority of the job offers specify that is mandatory to talk japanese)
I'm looking for someone that would like to teach me japanese, especially the oral part
When I lived in Japan, I used the memrise app. Trying to learn all three syllabaries on top of everything else was too much for me. Plus, I was never going to read anything (not least because all three systems can be included in one sentence - I used to see some Japanese people on the train reading the newspaper with a dictionary to hand ...). If I had stayed longer I might have tried to do learn some hirigana and katakana (Japanese schoolchildren were expected to learn the easiest 3,000 kanji!). Memrise is quite good for vocab bu not as good on as Duo on structures (IMHO).
Hello Nice to meet you. I saw your post and I am interest about it. I want to learn in Japanese. So I am learning in Japanese on Duolingo. But I can't speak in Japanese yet. So I wish your help. Can you help me? Can you tell me easily method for learning Japanese? please help me.. Thanks.