"İç!"
Translation:Drink!
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hello everyone! welcome to turkish! first post!
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hello and welcome :) But please use the sentence discussion only for sentence related questions and answers in the future :)
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Interesting how it can also mean "inside" or "internal"... I wonder if the meaning "drink" is related to those, like ingesting a beverage.
I think you may be on to something, Kai. If true, this would explain why we use "içmek" to refer to smoking as well as drinking. (In Turkish, we "drink" cigarettes, rather than "smoke" cigarettes). Maybe the people who came up with the word had a romantic idea of the smokes/fumes of the cigarette being "ingested" the same way water or other fluids are ingested.
Alternatively, it could be the way the word was borrowed from another language. Arabic, Gujarati, Urdu, Hindi also use "to drink" when referring to smoking. It's possible that we say "to drink" cigarettes simply because it's the way it was used in the language/culture we were influenced by.
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These comments are fascinating. I don't smoke, but it is amazing to think that another culture has a different conception of the very act of smoking , that I had no clue about before.
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But then again drinking and eating have the same translation. Convenient for soup :p
Why soup? Soup isn't even a turkish word (i think) so.......yeah, not so convienent. And it's not even the same translation though. So, yeah. Just forget this post. :-P
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I totally agree Burak! I am a native Hindi speaker and your theory sounds right to me! In fact, some words in Turkish are the same in Hindi/Urdu and that's what I love about Turkish! I'm sure those shared words come from Arabic or something. The pronounication and spelling is different sometimes, but the overall sound is the same. For example: duniya, insan, ask and ishq (hindi), selam etc.
All of these are Persian also, Duniya=World , Insan=Human being , Ask, Isgh=Love , Selam=Hi , It looks likes these words works in this part of the world all together,
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It is the other way around, all those words are of Arabic origins that might have affected both Turkish and Persian languages.
World=Diyar, yeryüzü and alem Earth=Dunya(Not Duniya :D) Love=Sevgi Crush=Aşk(Not Isgh :D)
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I think of the hookah in referring to "drinking", because doesn't the hookah contain liquid?
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In Arabic also, we use "يشرب" "Yshrab" which means drink when we want to say smoking cigarettes.
They are unrelated. One is a noun (that can also be used as a preposition), the other is the command form of the verb içmek
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they might still share something though, you don't know how the words evolved :)
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İç: v. drink; n. adj. inside.
İçmek: to drink.
I think 'içmek' was made up in the meaning of 'içe/içine almak' (to take in).
So I think you are right.
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you may check www.nisanyansozluk.com or research dictionaries of andreas tietze
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When you drink something it goes "inside" your body.. so i guess this is why it is eused for the same meaning In all ligoes there are some words which have very different meanings.. it's not strange
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I suppose now would be a very good time to ask if there is a keyboard layout for typing in Turkish, or else an easier way to type characters like ç than using alt-numpad codes.
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If you're looking for a long-term solution, I recommend the Colemak keyboard layout. I had to practice for about a year to regain my QWERTY typing speed, but now it's very enjoyable. Colemak makes typing lots of international characters very easy: http://colemak.com/Multilingual
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Currently I'm trying to use a compose key myself. The windows key on the right is a good option as you probably never use it anyway.
- You can type ç by: compose, (comma), c
- You can type ş by: compose, (comma), s
- You can type ı by: compose, i, (dot)
- You can type İ by: compose, I, (dot)
If you're on Windows, a compose key application can be found here.
Otherwise, just switch your keyboard layout to US-international, which let's you produce characters by AltGr combinations, but I don't know if it is complete.
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What I've done in the past with German, French, Yiddish/Hebrew, Spanish, and Polish, is set my Windows to have a Ctrl+Shift+[Number] as a keystroke for each language's keyboard layout. I use it to quickly toggle between whichever layout I want. I haven't (yet!) checked to see if there's a Turkish keyboard layout, but it may become my Ctrl+Shift+6 hotkey stroke.
Use "Keyboards" under I think it's "Region and Time" to check the settings to set your keystroke preferences to toggle.
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If your on your phone you can hold down the letter and drag your finger to the selected version of that letter it works with all my languages so far
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On my phone, I use message ease keyboard where you can add different layouts and change them with one swipe.
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Another solution besides the ones already offered here is to create a keyboard layout of your own. It's actually pretty simple with Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator 1.4. Of course, if you go this route, you won't be able to use it on any computers that don't have your custom layout installed. Although I suppose you could always upload your created layout's installation files to Dropbox or something so that you can download it elsewhere.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/download/details.aspx?id=22339
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Go to your key board setting and add the layout. You will then have an abriviated form of the language tap to switch between the different layouts
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MNEMONIC for I.ç -- I had this terrible ICH in my throat, and I just had to make it better by DRINKING! ^_^
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My mnemonic is that it sounds similar to "eat" in English, so I remember that drink=ıç(eat) and eat=ye (yeah).
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You may want to use the word 'each' for better pronunciation. The word 'iç' sounds like the very short/quick pronunciation of the word 'each' like in the word 'it'.
So, it could be considered as a kind of mixture of 'each' & 'it'.
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You're SO right.... sounds are important ... Thank you!! (^_^)
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ıç <-- what is the typo in this word? Perhaps the lack of capitalization or exclamation mark?
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ı and i are different letters in Turkish. we'll add a pronunciation guide soon.
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Thanks! I understand now. One letter is distinguished by a dot, for both the lowercase and uppercase versions. This makes much more sense than English in which an uppercase "i" loses its dot.
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Yes, exactly! One letter is i İ, the other is ı I .
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In many language courses, e.g French, Spanish, and Italian (I say those because I notice you've studied them) it'll count those as correct, but have the guide say "pay attention to the accents!"
From what you're explaining, are you saying that to a Turkish person comparing those two letters is akin to us comparing "a" vs "b" where there's absolutely no connection other than looking similar? I guess a better example might be "i" vs "j" because they both have a tittle.
Just trying to differentiate whether we're talking about accents or entirely, completely unrelated letters that just coincidentally look similar.
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Obviously they are both vowels and not that different in pronunciation. But from what I have heard, distinguishing them is about as crucial as e.g. distinguishing e and i in English.
Confusing the two can have serious consequences: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=73
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Wow! Sounds like it! Thanks for explaining, and for providing the U Penn reference!
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Perhaps like l vs. t?
After all, t is basically just l with a line through it, but they seem like completely different letters to English speakers.
I and İ (or their lowercase counterparts, ı and i, respectively) are two separate letters in Turkish, and constitute two of the total of eight vowels found in the language. Despite the visual resemblance, these two letters are not accented versions of a single sound, nor do they sound that similar to one another.
The dotted İ/i is the same sound as the "i" in pin, win, sing, etc. Very straightforward.
The undotted I/ı is a sound that is not found in the English alphabet, but it is found in the pronunciation of certain English words. For example, if we were to write the word "Britain" the way it would be pronounced, but only using Turkish letters, it would be "Britın". Another example would be the verb "to pardon". Using Turkish letters to approximate the English pronunciation, this would be spelled "pardın". So the closest approximation is an "uh"-like sound. A last example would be the word "nation", which would become "neyşın". (It's tough to give examples without letting slip some other new material in. You'll notice that I also dropped in the new letter "ş", which has a "sh" sound, as found in "short", which in Turkish would become "şort")
As is the case with all Turkish letters, they are pronounced consistently, i.e. absolutely the same no matter where they appear in a word. This is in contrast to English, for example, where "i" can be "ee" as in "win", or "ai" as in "ireland", among others.
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Careful: Sing does not sound like pin and win. "Sing" can have the "ee" sound, I have not heard "win" with that sound except from foreigners. http://englishspeaklikenative.com/resources/american-english-ipa/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet_chart_for_English_dialects
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Which accent is this in? In British RP sing, win and pin have exactly the same vowel: /sɪŋ/ /wɪn/ /pɪn/
That is definitely not that case in American English :) allintolearning is definitely representative of the English I speak.
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Yes, my dictionary does indicate that these three words all have the short ' i ' sound, but there is often a slight difference in the words that end with 'ng' as opposed to the words that end in 'n'. I am from California. Try saying sin and add g then say sing and tell me if your vowel does not change at all. A good example is the word singe versus sing. Oddly singe has the short 'i' sound even though it ends with an 'e'.
http://forvo.com/word/sing/#en
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Phonemically, the words do indeed have the same vowel sound, but phonetically they are different.
Dictionaries usually write down the phonemes (distinctive sounds); slightly altered sounds caused automatically by their environment (e.g. a following -n versus a following -ng) are usually not marked as native speakers make those adjustment automatically and often unconciously.
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In my dialect (I'm from Ontario, Canada; native English speaker), the words "Britain" and "pardon" do not have a vowel nucleus in the positions you indicate here: [ˈbɹɪt̚.ʔn̩] [ˈpaɹd̚.n̩]. And in my dialect, the word "nation" uses what you describe as Turkish's dotted-i vowel in this position: [ˈneɪ̯.ʃɪn]. This has the unfortunate consequence of rendering your explanation very ambiguous to me. lol. I'm sure your explanation was probably very helpful to some other people, though. Don't get me wrong.
Also, you say "where [English] "i" can be seen as "ee" as in "win"..."
I don't know of any English dialect that does that. Maybe somewhere in Scotland or something, but I'm pretty sure this is wrong for at least 90% of English dialects.
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Is this strange looking "I" pronounced like "itch" or "each"?
Just need to make sure!
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Say youuuuu continuosly and smile as hard as you can. That's ı. The ç is exact same of "tsch" in german.
This word probably doesn't come from Arabic; however, some words involving drinking "şarab, meşrubat" do :)
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I'm reviewing some of the basics, and would İç be the infinitive verb? I noticed there were other forms like içer.
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iç is so called the "stem" of the verb. infinitives are done by addition of -mek/mak. (içmek). Verbs are conjugated according to the person and the tense, please read tips and notes
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It may have special characters below and if you press on those, they'll be part of the word. Hope this helps!
Except in a few restricted contexts, "smoke' is "Sigara iç" (you can't drop sigara)
Içmek also means to smoke, so my correct answer of 'Smoke!' was marked wrong.
Only if you include the o=word "sigara," "nargile" or various other smoke-able things in front of it. On its own, it will almost always be interpreted as "drink" :)
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Closer to "each", I'd say.
http://forvo.com/word/i%C3%A7/#tr has a pronunciation you can listen to.
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içki is a noun: an (alcoholic) drink.
iç! is a command, telling someone to "drink!".
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As a noun or adjective, iç means "inside" or "interior".
As a verb, içmek means "to drink" and iç! is the imperative or command form of that verb.
So you have two words that look the same: a noun and a verb.
Many languages have words that look the same even if they are not similar, e.g. "like" in English ("He sings like your cat" -- preposition; "We like your cat" -- verb).
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içiyor means "(he/she/it) is drinking".
It's a different form of the same verb.
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Its telling me to pay attention to accents. But im using ç is this the correct character?
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İ search in google translate, "iç" means "inner". So how can in this app "iç" means "drink"? Please tell me..
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'İç(-)' means both inner and drink(stem of the verb). 'To drink' would be 'içmek'.
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içmek is the infinitive, the base form of the verb -- "to drink" or "drink". What you would look up in a dictionary, or the form used together with modal verbs such as "I want to ...".
iç! is the imperative or command form: "drink!"
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Ye and iç - I like how they sound in English version of "yay" and "itch"
Btw, I'm new here, accidentally added on my course where I wanted to Japanese instead but sadly it's not loaded yet
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Don't say that everywhere in Turkey as piç means bastard :)
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iç is command and gerund. içer is singular 3rd person form.
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In hindi too we use drink for ciggaretes also duniya is world insan is human and ishk is love in hindi
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Why does Turkish contains more imperative sentences than other languages? Is it because Turkish people are so self-imposing?
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It's because imperitave and infinitive forms are same. And it can be distinguished by stressing for imperative and non-imperative in speech.
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I wrote 'Drink'. It was marked as wrong. The suggested correct answer was ' Drink'. Simply unfathomable!
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No, it's not part of the word.
This is a sentence - a command. Such sentences are usually ended by an exclamation mark rather than a full stop.
"Eat! Read your books! Answer my questions! Drink your tea!" and so on.
