https://www.duolingo.com/Lingophilic

Having trouble retaining Turkish words.

Hello, like everybody else I started the Turkish course today. I was so excited to learn it but as I progressed through the lessons, I realized that I was having major trouble retaining words and phrases.

I am usually very good at this, I have retained certain Russian words and clearly I've retained Spanish and Italian words. I've even retained some Swedish, Mandarin and Finnish words and I haven't dabbled in those in ages.

Is anybody else having the same problem? I think part of the problem is that I don't really see a pattern in word stems/affixes right now (Turkish is agglutinative). I also think it's because I've never really had experience in Turkic or agglutinative language grammar. These words are extremely foreign to me and I just find myself hovering over English words to find their Turkish counterpart instead of actually remembering the Turkish word.

Any advice? Teşekkürler ve iyi şanslar ile Türkçe.

3 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Erik_Gerrits

Hi Lingophilic, you can create a list of words you can't remember on an external website. I like elon.io because it intelligently repeats the words you don't know well the most and you can easily type Turkish letters. For example you can type "ç" by typing "ccc" instead :)

I hope this helps you!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/miacomet
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I know how you feel! Before starting to learn Turkish a few months ago, I had only really learned Romance and Germanic languages (plus Esperanto, but that lexicon was literally made for people with my linguistic background). Since they all have pretty similar vocab, it was easy to remember, but along comes Turkish with completely different roots. You'll get used to it though!

Remember that Turkish also has some of the same roots as English, e.g. "iyi şanslar". The "şans" is derived from and pronounced like French "chance" which means "chance, luck". As you keep going, you'll find that Turkish actually does have a lot of international vocab!

Also, a tip: instead of prepositions, Turkish uses postpositions. This means you put them after the noun they modify. I'm pretty sure that for the last sentence, you'd say "Teşekkürler ve Türkçe ile iyi şanslar." And with that said... İyi şanslar!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/orde90
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turkish root words are usually very short and simple. however they have a big potential to be extended. i think if you learn the patterns and endings you won't have any difficulty.

i personally find german easy for retaining words because sounds are varied and distinguishable. turkish has many sounds like german does but not in a complicated way as in slavian languages. so i think you should give it more chance

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lingophilic

I'll definitely give it a chance, but I just want to make sure that I learn these first and retain them because I am having trouble with that.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kyukiou
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Hang in there Lingophilic. I am having the exact same problem as you. I can retain words from languages such as Spanish or French (The first two languages I started with on Duolingo back in July of last year, but, this language has literally torn me to shreds. On the Adjective one it took me roughly 149 questions before I finished! ( I tried my best not to cheat {hovering over the words} throughout the entire lesson) I swear, I had a headache the size of Turkey itself! But, all of us who are participating in this course is going to do just fine! :D!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lingophilic

I'm really glad to know that I'm not the only one having a hard time :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xxxxxxxxxcx

can you continue a streak with multiple languages? thanks.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kyukiou
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Yes you can. When the next day begins and my streak doesn't have a check mark next to it. You can literally do any full lesson and it'll add to it. Basically the fact that you complete a single lesson will count towards your streak.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Erik_Gerrits

You can learn all words in the Duolingo course here

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lenkvist
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What skill are you at? The Phrases skill might be more difficult to retain because of the language chunks. Unfortunately the Strengthen Skills option doesn't seem to work perfectly either. Some words only reappear in lessons, not during practice.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lingophilic

I am at the branch of "Phrases" and "Adj. 1"

The phrases one is very difficult for me.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Deliciae
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The phrases are more difficult than the first few lessons that come after them at least. Makes sense, since you have to memorize each of them rather than relying on patterns like you often can in other lessons.

Also keep in mind that it was your first day working on Turkish (unless you've had prior experience with it). I wouldn't underestimate the power of sleeping on it, and then perhaps doing a bit of repetition. Don't get disheartened! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sainio
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I'm having the same problem with retention, and I had a REALLY hard time with the Phrases unit. I basically kind of bulldozed through that section (with lots of mistakes, typos, and help from the hover hints!), and moved on.

Anyway, I'm finding that some of the later vocabulary sticks better: there are several cognates in the food vocabulary (domates, limon), and some of the food and animal names are memorable, so that's making me feel much better. I'm also getting the feeling that the phrases will be easier as we get more practice with the suffixes. So I think my suggestion is to keep going through the lessons a little more, and then go back and repeat Phrases and some of the other earlier lessons, to see if they stick better. (At least, that's my plan! =) )

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HakeemEvrenoglu
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i didn't try the phrases unit, but the adjectives one is "easy" (as basics unit)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KevanSF
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I feel you! It's tough. I have taken to cheating (writing down words and their meaning on a cheat sheet so that I can get through the lessons and to help me discern patterns) -- first time I've ever done that with a Duo language! Also, I am doing and redoing each little section to try to make it sink it. I fear my progress will be very slow, but I am enjoying it and will stick with it. (At least until the next shiny new language comes along!)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/digitalpointer
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Don't be too hard on yourself about the phrases. They're idiomatic in most languages, so you just have to memorize them and they either make more sense later on or become automatic because you use them so much. As for vocab, if there isn't a cognate in another language I know, I'm just making up mnemonics as I go. For example, the word for orange (portakal) makes me think of the English word "portcullis", so I picture a portcullis descending and smashing an orange. You could do something similar if you have a good visual to go with the word "Portugal" which is closer to the sound of the Turkish word. Obviously using a bunch of mnemonics is too cumbersome in the long term, but it's good for getting the sounds of the word in your memory initially. Just make sure it's something you can visualize and that's startling or funny or gross, and you'll remember it.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Khaur
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Portakal and Portugal are actually cognates. Sweet oranges were introduced in Europe from Portugal, and the fruit's name was derived from it in several languages in the Mediterranean area.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Deliciae
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The more you know. Now I'm definitely going to remember the word, thank you! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/digitalpointer
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Thanks! That's interesting :-)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zeiserl
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"Geeve me a vord, any vord, and I will show you that the root of the word is Greek." I can't be the only person who thought of Mr Portokalos from My Big Fat Greek Wedding and his apples and oranges.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MichaelJoy5

elon.io is a great site to make words lists. Their method of memorizing the words REALLY works. Iyi şanslar!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/andogigi
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Have you tried a flashcard app for you smart phone? There are some really good ones out there like memrise or anki.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jasminedesi16
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I would worry too much, it is your first time and it is a whole different language in a completely different language family than English. It will come eventually :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/johaquila
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Others have mentioned elon.io, which is in fact a good way to learn specifially the Turkish vocabulary. It also has a complete Turkish course that is somewhat similar to Duolingo's, better in some respects, but without the social features. As it is not clear whether it will be free after the end of March, I am currently using primarily elon.io to learn Turkish.

Another useful resource for learning Duolingo vocabulary (not just Turkish) is Memrise. The website is fine. The Android app is a bit slow but can be made to work offline(!).

Yet another resource is the general open source flashcard software Anki. The Duolingo Turkish vocabulary can be found for Anki as well. It has a bit of a learning curve compared to Duolingo and Memrise (and also elon.io), but it is very lean and fast and works offline. It uses a slightly different approach: You don't have to type in your answers, just imagine them. Then you look at the solution and click a button according to whether you got it right or not.

I am currently combining all these methods plus a book to make the weird Turkish vocabulary stick in my mind, and this works quite well.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MusingThoughts

Maybe because I know non European languages I actually find Turkish words easier than Spanish :)

3 years ago
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