Lingvist: good companion for Duo.
I have been using Lingvist https://learn.lingvist.io/ for a few days and I want to recommend it to you, site is in beta, free and not all smooth (sliding is ok but the arrow is slow on touch screen).
I chose to start at beginner level and find their base vocabularies strikingly similar to Duo. Their strongest point is more varied, sensible sentences with full table of verb conjugation and sometimes a bit of grammar notes, usage explanation right below plus separated listening and reading material which are Duo beginner-friendly, at least to me (I'm at third check point in Duo).
This is such a nice change of weather since I sometimes got bored of formulaic sentences like "This is a coat" and Duo's rigid female voice. On the other hand, Lingvist is less gamified than Duo and also lacks the streak and reward features that make Duo so addicting. Still, its design is clean and easy to use.
Overall, I must thank Duo for helping to kick start my enthusiasm and establish an excellent base for me to grow on Lingvist healthily without being overwhelmed. I hope you keep up your good job on Duo, try out Lingvist as additional asernal and find it as useful as I did. ^^
I also enjoyed Lingvist, although I haven't been back in a bit. I'm pretty desperately waiting for them to add new languages (which they said would happen early in the new year, but hasn't yet!). And hoping that the subscription model allows you to switch between languages, instead of having to buy a separate sub for each language.
And 6 months later, we're still waiting. About a year ago they had no problem bragging about releasing new languages in the first quarter of the year, and now when asked (many times on their Facebook page) all they can answer is that they have no updates.
Yep. You can tell by the job postings which languages they're working on, but (according to a recent email) their next releases will be for teaching English. I was asking about Italian, and they said "probably a year." Which I expect is optimistic. grumbles
You can now practice Italian, Lingvist style with Clozemaster.
Here is the Duolingo discussion:
and here is posting on Reddit:
I've been using it for few days now and really like it. Works well on mobile too.
In a browser.
Meanwhile you could try Readlang. They now have "typing mode", which does the same thing Lingvist does. It shows you a sentence with one word removed and asks you to fill it in. The only thing missing is the audio playback, and you have to build up your sentence list (flash cards) from articles.
I like Linvist a lot too! I got to about 1700 words and suddenly it went back to really simple sentences so I think I finished it. However, I just logged in and it looks like they've updated it recently so there are probably more words now. Nevertheless, I found it really good for some more practical expressions/slang. (I went to France two weeks ago and Linvist was a good resource for my preparation) I definitely agree with you, MoodyKitty and I'd recommend it to anyone learning French. The audio is much stronger than duo's robot voice.
Haha, yeah, when I demonstrate Duo to others, I have heard comments that it sounds too much like a machine and without French's well-known melodic charm. :)
of all the learning tools that i have tested and are available in the internet - duolingo, memrise, rosetta stone, and others - lingvist is the one that gave me the best results in terms of learning. i would definitely pay subscription for them. huehuehe it almost sounds that I am marketing for them but if you are looking for new language learning tools , try it while it is beta free.
of course, it is not a magic tool. it is like duolingo. it requires discipline to do every day.
No idea They are saying that multiple subscription plans with different prices are going to be available But they said nothing about prices. I guess that maybe a price for a year,a price for lifetime subs, a price for one language, a price for more languages. They are a letonian startup ( who would thought that letonian would turn to the Silicon Valley in Europe), and they have some reports about they future.
no ideia if you consider that a lot of investors have already backed up lignvist, and therefore money is not a problem in the short term, maybe they will wait for at least six months, until there are no problems, or until they release an application for android and ios. well i dont know anything actually. just guesses
Oh yeah I do wish they continue to gamify Lingvist a bit before releasing, it is now still in a quite "boring" state for me, I guess for serious learners it is great, but for someone with short attention span like me, Duo is what can get me start and Lingvist hopefully can keep the flame burning, but I still can't get hot and horny enough to open Lingvist daily like I do with Duo. :(
Today I finished my memorize section in Lingvist:
- 4762 words; the last one is "subtilités", (subtleties), but they add new words regularly.
- 25h38' total time; I usually spend 10-15 mins a day on Lingvist, I started last November.
I like Lingvist, but I find Duolingo and Memrise much more helpful. But, I am awaiting the release of more languages on it!
What type of lessons do you use on memrise? Can you suggest some tips? I used it once for Japanese but found it too tedious to remember long sentences.
Lingvist is first time contact of Estonian for me. ^^ Can you give me a brief course on how it is?
Yeah Estonian is quite close to Finnish, but Estonian sounds like some drunk truck driver speaks Finnish very poorly using very very old sounding words that haven't been used since your grandparents were kids (and probably even then those words were quite uncool and old-fashioned).
The grammar is pretty simple, they have just 14 cases: nominative, genitive, partitive, Illative, Inessive, Elative, Allative, Adessive, Ablative, Translative, Terminative, Essive, Abessive, Comitative and in addition Prolactive.
It's a simple and flexible language, just learn the cases and that's it, then you can form sentences in many ways because the word order isn't that precise even though it's basically SVO language.
If you know finnish just get drunk and speak a little bit faster and pronounce the D, L and S letters softer and shift from the finnish monotonic intonation to a more singing and swedish-like intonation.
Just ask me if you want to know more about Estonian.
Haha...that's quite an unexpected description!!! I only watched some Swedish a while ago in a program about chef Magnus of Fäviken. So based on what you said Finnish, Estonian and Swedish people can basically understand each other too (or only when they are drunk)?
Well.. Swedish people can understand Finnish or Estonian as well as they understand Chinese or Arabic. Even Hindi is closer to Swedish because they both are in the Indo-European language tree, Finnish and Estonian are in the Fenno-Ugric language tree with Hungarian and some small minor languages spoken in Russia. The Fenno-Ugric family is a smaller branch of the Uralic languages.
So even the polar bears understand these crazy languages better than the Swedish. I hope I emphasized this clearly enough that Swedish people can't understand Finnish or Estonian !
^^ very interesting, yeah, I really had them mixed up before, I thought the Swedish Finnish were pretty close.
I like Lingvist a lot - it complements Duolingo/Memrise quite well, but I find that it takes some effort to do at least 150 words a day on there. Some people have been saying that the vocabulary is too easy, but for someone like me who is only about halfway through their French tree, I think it is a good challenge.
Same, 150 is also impossible for me since I still need to progress in Duo, we are at similar level here ^^. I think I need to give priority to Duo still until it's gold, since I notice Duo base helped me to start with Lingvist smoothly. virtualhifi good luck mate.
Unfortunately, Listening snd reading sections are removed from Lingvist now...
Lingvist is built on algorithm that adapts to your skill, as I have read somewhere, so you have to let it know that you already know something by giving correct answers. For wrong answers, it will repeat for you to practice.
Thanks.I tried this for a bit but i don't know the end of this flashcard game in "Memorize" after 129 questions? And they are just basic stuffs ,mostly for beginners,intermediates . There is not something like classification. I didn't try "read" and "listen" yet,maybe tomorrow
260 for now. And yeah i already know some French vocabs so maybe it's a bit boring and unchallenging for me at first .But i am keeping it up
I read on their blog that they have up to 5000 words and their algorithm will let words adapt to learner's capability. I remember I got to choose Beginner/Intermediate/Advance at first...-...-. You did not get the choice?
Yep maybe i didn't,my fault sorry. Btw the "Listen" part is good and i love it.
But the 5000-words thing is really INSANE. Must spend loads of time for it
I sent them a question and they very nicely replied to me in an email (and eventually brought back the feature I was asking for) ... so maybe you caught them at a bad time?
They sent me a broken link and I replied asking for correction. They replied once, but not to my follow up suggestion of incorporating Duo streak style and reward to Lingvist. Guess they don't bother since too many did that before me...^^
I agree, I have recently joined Lingvist and find it very helpful. The main thing for me is that the words are spoken by what seems to be a genuine Frenchman. I often get my answers wrong in the Duolingo oral exercises because most of the time I just cannot make out the 'voice' is saying! I've started making a list of some of the sentences in a note book saying what they sound like and what they actually are. Having said that, I do appreciate what we are getting here for nothing! :)
I've incorporated Lingvist in my language learning repertoire with Duolingo ESPECIALLY since my gold status on my tree keeps dropping off in such short time. I keep using Duo, but I want as accurate of a rating on my learning level as possible, and Lingvist seems to be more consistent with that at this point.
You know what? I really struggle harshly. It's really not easy. it wasn't so hard to expose myself to, and learn English, 5 years ago. Today I began to notice improvements in remembering some (German) words, but after many many days seeing them and not succeeding memorizing them. I began to meet German 3 months ago on DL. it's really a harsh task for me to "make up new neuronal connections". It's about that.
I won't give up, I'm certain I'll feel more comfortable as time pass on, but now it's really laborious and I feel disappointed and frustrated, I can tell you. :-) So, guys : don't give up even if you spend hours and hours with weak results. it's the normal process. 100% sure. It will work after a certain amount of days, for some of us it's longer, certainly due to our age. (in my case more than 50 yo) :) you want to meet and learn to speak a new language ? OK : you will meet frustration. it forms part of first months of the journey.