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"İstanbul is in the northwest of Turkey."
Translation:İstanbul Türkiye'nin kuzey batısında.
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Can you write "northwest" as one word "kuzeybatı" as you would in English? And if so, could "in the northwest" be written all as one word, i.e., "kuzeybatısında"?
Kuzeybatı is written as one word. But about possessive:
Ev kuzeybatıda: The house is in the northwest.
Ev marketin kuzeybatısında: The house is in the northwest of the market.
Is, "Türkiye'nin kuzey batısında İstanbul vardır" also correct? I was disappointed because a lot of thought went into this sentence, haha
Is -sında possessive + n + locative? If so do we have a rule that explains the -n- or is that just something to memorize?
"bati"= west. "Bati"-s (buffer between two vowels) - "i" (possessive suffix for possessed object: the west of)- n (buffer)-da (locative suffix).
It is a possessive suffix. Onun evi (o-nun ev-i - his/her house), öğrencinin ödevi (öğrenci-nin ödev-i - the student's assignment/homework). There should be a lesson about this. Try to check it. It's called the genitive case.
Genitive Case & Possessive Suffixes were taught HERE.
Just be careful not to mix them, because they are different things... Genitive case (-nin) goes on the possessor (the owner), and possessive suffix goes on the possessed (the thing owned). :-)
(n)in stands for "of" here, just like s in English. Koksys (of Koksy). The first n is buffer. in means of.
We need to include the possessive suffix "-sı" because the northwest belongs to Turkey. As soon as we see a "-nin" (genitive case ending) in the sentence, we know we have to include a possessive suffix, as well.
Genitive Case & Possessive Suffixes Tips & Notes: HERE.
And the -n- is a buffer that will come between a vowel and -da or -dan case endings... It may seem strange because this buffer it isn't between two vowels, but it makes it easier to pronounce. :-)
Shish-kebab version:
batı (west) - sı (possessive suffix) - n (buffer) - da (locative case)
Istabul Turkçey'nin kuzey batisinda... "nin" is possesive case... "da" in batisinda is locative... kuzey means north n bati means west... batisinda "in" is also possesive case cause north of west... I hope I've explain this nicely
AbdullahWa, in "Turkiye"nin"= "of Turkey", "Turkiye" is the possessor, so, at the genitive case and genitive case suffix -n-in, "nin", "n" buffer between two vowels. About "Northwest" = "The west of the north"= "kuzey batisi(pointlessi). It is the same topic as in "havanat bahçesi"= "the zoo" , or "Sultan Ahmet camisi(pointless i)". Three "batisi", bahçesi and camisi, all three possessed object, have the genitive the possessive suffix. have a look there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOS3y3qjEG8, a video very clear and helpfull.
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It should not be written separately, it is basically a compound word. Therefore "kuzeybati" is correct translation for northwest.
Im really confused on word order here. Should I treat the word order as, "city, then country," for all instances of location or not?
Why is it wrong to say: "Türkiye'nin kuzey batısında İstanbul." ?
I thought word order was flexible and mostly inverse to the English word order.
Anja, Istanbul is the subject, so, never at the end of the sentence. I think it could be before "batısında ", the verb of this sentence. Perhaps, here, the writer wants to emphasize the place phrase "Turkiye'nin kuzey".
Would 'Istanbul is in the north of Turkey' be 'İstanbul Türkiye'nin kuzeyinde' ?
Andi, "Istanbul" is the subject in the sentence. So no "da" no "dadir". The complement of place is "in the north-west"="kuzey batısında", compound noun, the possessive ending only ond the second word "batı"="west". Batısında"="batı"+"s", buffer between two wovels+ "ı", possessive suffix +"n", buffer+"da", locative suffix.
Why do we have to write "batısında" and not "Batısıda" What's the purpose of "n" here?
I suppose there is an error in the program of Duolingo. Whenever I enter the name of Istanbul as 'İstanbul', their answer is: You have a typo, even if it's their own part of the answer. It is not important, but it looks nicer without this erroneous error message.
Is "Türkiye'nin İstanbul" is correct? -nin is the Possessive suffix right? Which means "Türkiye'nin İstanbul" stands for "Istanbul which belongs to Turkey", "Turkey's Istanbul" or "Istanbul in Turkey". On the other hand it must be "Türkiye-nin Istanbul-u"
SanctusEspiritus, "Istanbul" is the subject of the sentence and "Türkiye'nin kuzey batısında" ="the north-west of Turkey" is a place phrase, in a possessive/genitive construction: Türkey'nin with the genitive suffix "n-in" and "kuzey batısında", a compound noun "kuzey" at the nominative case and "batısında"=" batı-sı-n-da"= "batı" with the possessive suffix "s-ı" (as the possessed object): the west (of the north). "s-ı" because "batı" is ended with a vowel.
A little confused why the following would not work: "İstanbul Turkiye'nin kuzey batındadır". Much obliged for any help.
Arman, "batındadır" is wrong because the possessive form of "batı" at the third person singular is "batısı"="bati-si". I assume that "batında" would mean: "at your west"
fatimahami, "batı"="the west", "batıdır"="it is the west", batıda"= "it is in the west", "batısında"="it is in the west of". Yomalyn gives clear explanations in his comment above.
It seems that all answers I submit that include İ are marked as having a typo. Is this happening to others?
Ciao a tutti! Io avrei tradotto così :"Turkiye'nin Istanbul kuzey batisinda". È corretto? Grazie mille.
Bonjour Rosa, i assume that it is not possible, because "Turkiye'nin kuzey" work together as a compound noun. Also because "batısında" has to be beside the word it modifies, here: "Turkiye'nin kuzey.
