https://www.duolingo.com/profile/estrangeiro77

Pronunciation of the "ragazza"

Hello all, I guess that the pronunciation of the word "la ragazza" in this lesson is incorrect, isn't it?

December 19, 2012

39 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/karimbma

I agree that it is kinda bad. Anyways, In general, zz in Italian is pronounced tz, as in pizza.

December 19, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/swiatko2

A phoentic spelling is ra-gat-sa

December 19, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/wataya

I'm not a native speaker but for me the computer voice is pretty close. See here for a recording by a native speaker: http://de.forvo.com/search/ragazza/

December 19, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Enzo

That pronunciation is pretty good

December 20, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/siebolt

The funny pronunciation in "ragazza" only happened once.

December 20, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/newbiedoodle

As a semi-native speaker (One parent is Italian, so I speak it about as well as English) that is a bad clip - it doesn't show the rolled R.

December 7, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/monzac

I've been hearing 'regatta'. I'm very new to Italian, but it seemed odd.

December 20, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/leonardicus

I can already speak basic Italian, and the machine pronunciation of "ragazza" sounds like "ragata" to me, and it's terrible.

December 23, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BethK

I think the computer voice is just funky period. I had the same experience with Duolingo Spanish... The inflection, i.e. pitch and accent, sounds fine, but "zz" is coming through as "tt" for example and that's no matter what computer I use.

January 1, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mauro_Baldi

La pronuncia non è proprio perfetta, ma è molto simile alla pronuncia vera.

February 6, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fabriziocip

Si è simile, ma in Italia nessuno che parli un italiano corretto pronuncia la doppia z in quel modo (Yes, it's similar, but in Italy nobody pronounces the double z that way)

July 20, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Iifebyisaiah

Yeah. I mean its not perfect but its close enough that it really doesnt matter.

July 26, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/newbiedoodle

Una cosa: Devi scrivere "pronounces", non "pronounce".

December 7, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fabriziocip

Grazie newbiedoodle, hai ragione, mi era sfuggito. Ho corretto.

December 31, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Penzen

I lived in Italy for three years and it is pronounced ra-ga-tsa. The "z" makes the "ts" sound and when you have double consents you drag the sound out. Italians speak with a a lot of mouth and tounge movement. Good luck.

May 18, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/newbiedoodle

Actually, it's the double Z that makes "ts", otherwise it's the normal Z sound, at least in my experience when talking with my Roman grandparents.

December 7, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lonerwolf117

like piza ( no ts sound just s ) and pizza ( ts sound )

December 14, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/siebolt

There was one moment I thought the machine came from Venice. La ragazza with a pronunciation without the -t- sound.

December 19, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fistach

Please check http://www.ivona.com/en/, these voices are really good.

January 4, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tom0153

sounds more like ragatta to me here, but the link in the discussion is clearly ragatza or ragasza (milan v. naples?). Could be my ear trying to adjust.

December 29, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/abainbridge

It doesn't sound incorrect to me. The zz in "ragazza" sounds like the ts in "cats" (or like a German Z if you happen to speak German).

February 3, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/coolea

The "zza" should sound like "tsa"

February 6, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Brett_Cloke

It sounds like Regazza, which is making me spell it incorrectly pretty much every time without realising D:

April 21, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/estrangeiro77

Wataya, thanks for your comment. I'm not a native speaker either, but when listening to the word I hear only "raga" without "-zza"! Perhaps it's pronounced too sillent.

December 19, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/wataya

OK, I haven't encountered this version, yet. Maybe in your case there were some network issues or the like.

December 19, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TiagoMoita_PT

Yes, it's badly pronounced. The sample provided by wataya is dead on, though.

December 19, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/henrybrice

there is a great deal of regional variation in pronunciation of Italian. Most would say "ragatsa", but some pronounce "ragaza", and either would be understandable to most Italians.

December 29, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Barretti

To my ears it sounds like a lisp- ragatha!

January 19, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rsc55

I totally agree. It's as if she is lisping that z sound. Ragazza is the same sound as pizza - the same hard z sound.

February 17, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jmatt

Why are the pictures AND the translations given as choices after the English word (Level 1) is given? This is crazy. Of course I know that a picture of a woman is a woman. This can't be what the game is about!

February 18, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/steppinstones

its about learning, so pictures and translations help

March 8, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Danilator

yes, it is incorrect.

March 16, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sarrde

I have been keeping a second tab open on google Translate for comparison sometimes hearing two voices saying the same word makes it a little clearer; also i generally noticed that their pronunciations were close in spanish so I presume it's the same for their other languages as well:

http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/il%20ragazzo

April 3, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Erick_Gomez

the R is pronounced like in spanish and the zz is tz the rest is easy

July 7, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kmwalker15

Thank you all. I have spoken basic Italian for years and when I heard the pronunciation of ragazza..., I thought .... what? have I been pronouncing this word wrong all these years. It is validating to see that other people questioned the pronunciation as well. I questioned a couple of other words also...but now I know that maybe I am not wrong..so... I plan to continue using this website and see if I can progress to advanced beginner or intermediate speaker.

July 20, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/olisilvadani

I've been hearing "Raga"... But I guees the sound of zz in Italian is the same as zz in Pizza.. Pronounced as /"tz"/: /"Pitza"/ and /"Ragatza"/

July 23, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sete_Cremisi

Just think of Pizza, where zz is pronounced ts, Pitsa

August 9, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hgoldsteinbiatch

ra-gat-sa, thank you

November 1, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jaster24

Its pronounced as Ragatza, with the tongue roll on the R of course.

December 19, 2013
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