"Sultan Ahmet camisi çok büyük."
Translation:The Blue Mosque is very big.
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"Blue" isn't a translation of "Sultan Ahmet" at all. This is an example of different cultures assigning completely different names to the same landmark with neither side being aware of what the other calls it. Another example is what our guidebooks call the "Sphinx of Giza"; whereas the locals only know it as "Abu al-Hawl (Father of Terror)," for reasons one can only guess at. ;-)
Great. I thought that I was the only one who thought that Sultan Ahmet is a name. Sultan Ahmet = blue. I am going bananas.
It is a name - it was built during the reign of Sultan Ahmed I, it just also happens to be blue. I'm never going to remember this, because as a foreigner, I barely know who that is and I've always called it the blue mosque. Same with Taksım Meydanı, my brain is currently reading that as two nonsense words instead of the name of a place, because I only just covered takar, etc and I have to stare at it. Comes with the territory.
In case you're interested, most of Sultan Ahmet's Mosque is in the background of my avatar photo for this year. It isn't blue on the outside; you'ld have to go inside to see the tiles that give it its name.
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is it possible to say "Sultan Ahmet'in camisi"? is the "si" of camisi is a possesive suffix?
It is a possessive suffix but it isn't a possessive phrase. This mosque doesn't belong to Sultan Ahmet, it is just named after him. This is simply a noun compound :)
additional note, a mescit is a prayer room (I think it is also a mosque in Arabic)
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"mescit mosque مسجد" can be any place to pray for everyday use. while "cami جامع" is specially for the weekly gathering for Friday's prayer and any major religious events.
OK, not in Turkish :) So I wanted to make it clear. mescits are for example in a shopping mall, in a company etc. A small room where people can pray if they want.
yes it's true , but it pronounce as "d" at the end of the word , "mescıd" ( i mean in Arabic ) :)
Us arabs say masjid (مسجد), but my family and I refer to it as a "jama'ah" (جامع) in formal environments.
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Definitely. It is also very common in Arabic to say "المسجد الجامع" that means "The collecting Mosque" or in Turkish just "Cami" which is derived from Arabic : Pronounced the same way [jamæ] . :)
Why does the article about the Blue Mosque is named "Sultan Ahmed camii", without the S, in Wikipedia? Did i miss a detail in the grammar?
this is an exceptional usage, only for a few Arabic- origined words like cami and bayi. You don't really have to learn it :) using "camisi" is now much more common than "camii"
Why are we supposed to write "Blue Mosque" instead of "Sultan Ahmet's mosque" or "the mosque of Sultan Ahmet"? These corrections are very frustrating. Literal translations should be accepted as well, if they make sense.
"Sultan Ahmet mosque" is already an accepted answer. "Sultan Ahmet's mosque" and "the mosque of Sultan Ahmet" simply sound wrong to me
no, Hagia Sophia was once a church, then a mosque and now it is a museum. The blue mosque is a big and nice mosque next to it.
I am guessing you mean to say "huge." This would not be a god translation for two reasons. 1) Things normally aren't "very huge" in English. Huge already implies that it is exceptionally large. 2) Huge is kocaman in Turkish.
When two nouns are together, the second one needs to have the third person possessive suffix.
Ektoraskan, do you mean that Sultan Ahmet is considered as an adjectif? If it is the case, for which reason the posessive suffix at the end of "cami"? "His big room" = "büyük odasi (pointless i). May i conclude that "Sultan Ahmet" is the equivalent of "büyük"? That "Sultan Ahmet" does not represent the ownering person of the mosque?
Ektoraskan, i found the answer to my question in the next lesson, given by a learner. i give the two sites about the rule for compound nouns: https://turkishexplained.com/nouns.htm and http://ielanguage-com/turkish-noun-compound.html. Very clear and usefull!
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Mariane, thank you. I take the lessons pretty slowly so I've a chance to remember new vocabulary. I do a lot of repetition of the practice sessions. So, I haven't actually gotten to the color skill yet. : ) Soon!