https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

Finnish?

Hyvää päivää!

Since we now have Swedish and Danish (Norwegian is almost finished in incubator), I was wondering if there was a place for any other Nordic Languages. We could have Icelandic and Faroese, but I think Finnish would be interesting.

There are only three official languages o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶E̶U̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶I̶n̶d̶o̶-̶E̶u̶r̶o̶p̶e̶a̶n̶° that are part of the EU's official languages and are Uralic; these are Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian. Finnish has been named one of the hardest languages to learn in the world due to its strange grammar formations.

If you look over some Basic Phrases, you'll see what I mean by it being complicated and nothing like English. Someone has started a course of I Kinda Like Languages but is yet to Finnish it.

Näkemiin!

°Correction thanks to Balaur. I forgot Maltese wasn't Indo-European so I decided to completely change the sentence due to the fact Maltese is a completely different family of languages.

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https://www.duolingo.com/kgbelt
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I'd love to learn Finnish! It's a very unique language and as a greek i don't mind the complexity!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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As my as I love my second mother tongue, and as much as I'd love to see a Duolingo course in it, it is hardly unique in the correct sense of the word. Although not mutually intelligible with another language, it's pretty close to Estonian and also not too distant from other Uralic languages such as Sami and Karelian.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

Apparently it also has similarities to Hungarian but I don't know the accuracy of that. Do you speak Finnish?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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I don't have a link, but I read a study that said the similarities between Finnish and Hungarian is about the same as the link between English and Sanskrit.

I'm not kidding. Apparently there are some similarities that linguists can recognise, but it's not like there is any mutual intelligibility.

No-one should be put off by how 'hard' Finnish is. It's enormous fun, where's your sense of adventure, people? :P

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

Internesting! I think it's funny (and I know that I'm guilty for this) that many of us just assume they're similar just because they're in the same family. I have also heard Hungarians say it's easier to learn languages like Finnish compared to others but they also said that there was little vocab in common.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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As Annika says, Hungarians would have the advantage that the system is the similar to what they are used to, even if the words are different.

For us, the concept of a suffix being added to a word (and sometimes changing the word - thanks vowel harmony!) to denote something such as being in a place, or going to a place, is utterly foreign. They would just have to learn the new vocab, not an entirely new concept.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Here's a link (from 80 years ago, though, historical linguistics might have moved on since then): http://www.histdoc.net/sounds/hungary.html

It gives some quite interesting examples of what you just mentioned: the words are very different nowadays, but the structure is still similar. I guess it is the structure that is so hard to grasp for non-Ugric people, in the beginning of their studies at least.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

^ ^

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Finnish is indeed a very distant relative of Hungarian, but knowing one doesn't mean you understand a word of the other. Those others I mentioned are much closer. Estonian is annoyingly "almost mutually intelligible" with Finnish. And I am indeed Finnish.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

Annoyingly? XD

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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In the sense that you can almost figure out what is going on, but not quite!

(I started learning Estonian six years ago, partly because I thought it might be fun and easy (like learning Dutch if you know German well), and I am still on that road...)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Obelloe
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Yes every week somebody posts something about finnish. I live in helsinki and it would personally help me out a lot. Kiitos!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

^ ^

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https://www.duolingo.com/lumpydumpling
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Ooh yes! I would be super excited to learn Finnish!
It's great to see that others are enthusiastic about it too! :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

Yaaaaa

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Balaur
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Along with Japanese, Finnish is the language I'm most looking forward to getting added to the Incubator.

By the way, I'd like to make a correction: Finnish is actually one of four official languages of the EU that's non-Indo-European. You forgot Maltese.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

Oops. Changed it! Thanks ;D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Neco_Coneco
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I suddenly liked Finnish because of the link you gave. :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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That's a great little introduction course, I wish they would make more lessons.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Neco_Coneco
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Тоо bad it only has two lessons. :( I also tried Ukrainian. :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

I've never really tried Ukrainian but I do think it is one of the nicest sounding languages out there. My Great, Grandfather was born in the Khersons’ka Oblast’ soo maybe I should have a go? I used to speak Slovak when I was little and can still remember a tiny bit so maybe that would help with the fact they're both Slavic Languages.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Neco_Coneco
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Yes, you should try it. :D Your knowledge of the Slovak language will help you learn Ukrainian easily, I think. Well for me, it's my first Slavic language.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

K thanks :D I don't really know any anymore but with the course coming out on here soon, I might give it a go! I can communicate - just about - with single words in Slovak but no written knowledge whatsoever!

На все добре! (Na vse dobre) (Just looked that up :P)

Wait... Dobre is also good in Slovak see what I mean!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/adamyoung97
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Where do you find these?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

Oh they're just PNGs I find on google and put in. Have a look at the different commands if you need to know how to input them

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/adamyoung97
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Do you just search for the Emoji then?

3 years ago

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Yup. Normally off the Emojipedia

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Physiker729
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Hei! I would love to see a Finnish course. I've long been interested in the unique sound of Finnish, and I would love to dive right in and play with some vowel-harmony, consonant gradation, and noun cases (all of which sound scary but are really not!) If only I already knew the language, I'd apply to contribute in a heartbeat!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

Me to! Even though over 70% of the Finnish population speaks English fluently, it would still be a cool language to learn :P

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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Maybe, but the look on a Finn's face when you tell them you are learning Finnish, and then manage to hold even a basic conversation with them, is priceless. :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

The way I can literally imagine that :S

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Physiker729
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And this may be why I'm pulling for a Finnish course! ^^ Now, if only I could become fluent in the next month or so... >> ...then I could apply to the incubator! Talk about reasonable goals...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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"Now, if only I could become fluent in the next month or so..."

Good luck with that, let me know how it goes. :P

(And if you do okay can you please come back and teach me, my Finnish is slooow) :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Physiker729
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But who ever said we can't speak to Finns in Finnish? :)

"If you talk to a person in a language they understand, that goes to their head. If you talk to them in their language, that goes to their heart." - (paraphrased slightly from) Nelson Mandela (At least, that's who the Internet tells me this is attributable to.)

:D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

Yeah they had written all over our MFL department :P I just said that for practical reasons since, statistically, their English would be better than your Finnish but I still really really want to learn it :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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So how come you are interested in learning Finnish? Other than it being exotic and a challenge?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

Not quite sure. It just seems interesting and we do have some family living there soo yh

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https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Cool! If you have any questions regarding the language, there are plenty of us lurking around here...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

^ ^

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https://www.duolingo.com/Gluehbirneee
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I would love having a Finnish course on Duolingo!

Suomi on hieno kieli!
3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AshKerins

I have been learning Finnish on and off since 2008, I am so glad there is a demand for it here. I really want Duolingo to pick it up. Icelandic too. I am just starting to learn Icelandic and would love to see it on here.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

^ ^ What we really need is people to come together and start to create :P But I know this is happening even now. I know that Germaron has also shown an interest tho so we need need more people!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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A similar thread to this was posted about eight months ago. I know of several people who applied back then to make the course. We just need Duolingo to decide to do something about it. The applications are already on their desk. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Yup, I too know several people who have applied, and I happen to be one of them. :) Duolingo has been adding fairly many languages to the incubator recently, and Finnish would be a logical language to add next, but you never know. :P

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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You are one of the people I was thinking of. :D

And I'm not sure we can rely on logic to predict which languages will come next when they just added Klingon. :/

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Yeah, but Klingon was planned to be added a long time ago. But I don't know why they decided to add it right now. I think it will take a long time to reach beta (since they have only one contributor working on it), so it might be that... But let's just keep hoping for the best! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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I've been hoping for the best for quite some time now, but I'll keep hoping. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gluehbirneee
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In case you mean this thread and anyone is interested in reading it. It's ranked the 22nd place in duolingo posts: top all time.

And there also have a lot of other posts:

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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Thanks Gluehbirneee, I should have linked to that, but it's still before breakfast time here and I wasn't properly awake yet. ;)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/191201CF

:)

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https://www.duolingo.com/Taurendil
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Hey, do you know how one can be part of making a course? How to apply, from where, and do they choose the people?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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Hei Holly, are you Finnish?

You can apply here: http://incubator.duolingo.com/apply

A few people that I follow have also applied to help with a Finnish course. From what I understand, Duolingo keep all the applications until they decide to build a course. Then they will go through and notify the applicants if they have been successful.

Good luck with your application, there are many of us here who would love a Finnish course. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AshKerins

I joined Duolingo today so I'm not sure how adding a language to this site works- also I'm far from a native level in Finnish. Pronunciation is my strongest asset in language, but none the less, surely we'd all rather be learning Finnish from those who are utterly fluent in the language? Is there another way to help without providing actual course content? =]

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Welcome to Duolingo!

As TL--- said, you can help develop the course further once it's there in the beta phase, as courses are never perfect when they are released and rely on user input to add alternative translations, note mistakes, and so on. But until the course has been launched there isn't much you can do, except for showing support for a language here on the discussion board. If you feel like it, you could still apply to become a course contributor in the Incubator: in some cases they have added people who are far from fluent in one of the languages, either to verify the correctness of the other language or to test out the course before it is available to everyone else.

To see all the courses currently in Duolingo, check out the Incubator: http://incubator.duolingo.com/. Courses in the first phase aren't available yet, those in the second (beta) phase are available but not yet completely finished, and those in the third phase good enough to be considered finished (although you can still propose missing alternative translations in these, too, and they will still be considered.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Thanks Annika for explaining the system in further detail. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AshKerins

That's really helpful of you to explain all that, thank you very much! I think for now the best I can do is show support here.

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https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Well, people who are fluent in a language that has recently reached beta often help to report bugs and other errors. :)

3 years ago

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