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# "Forty percent of children eat apples."

## Translation:Çocukların yüzde kırkı elma yer.

April 13, 2015

A little bit confusing

Do you have a specific question?

i just confuse about how to arrange this sentence

So, in order to give a percentage in Turkish, you say 'in 100 #" yüzde #. (it kind of makes sense when you realize that percent literally means 'out of 100")

When you say "#% of X", you have to say "X'(n)IN yüzde #(s)I". It is almost as different from English as you can get, but with practice, it'll start to make sense :)

So are these correct? I'm trying out variations of nouns, numbers and suffixes.

ülkelerin yüzde ellisi = 50% of countries

ülkenin yüzde otuzu = 30% of the country

köpeklerin yüzde yüzü = 100% of dogs

köpeğin yüzde onu = 10% of the dog (was injured)

Good examples. Help to understand how it works. Thanks.

That was a great example. Thanx

okay, thanks for the explanation :)

Thank you for your wonderfull complete explanation

Why is it kırkı, with -ı? Because of the genitive in çocukların, I suspect? If so, would you also say, for instance, 'elli çocukun kırkı' for 'forty (out) of fifty children'? (Or perhaps you would use a different case there, not the genitive.) Oh boy, this 'click-on-suffixes-till-you-drop' character of Turkish makes life complicated at times.

Çocuğun*. Yes :-]

Why wouldn't 'forty (out) of fifty children' be 'çocukların ellide kırkı'? This follows the structure of the original sentence. I'm sure that "çocukun" is not right; the k takes a soft form (ğ) between two vowels.

I don't know but I find nothing wrong with your sentence But that is not the right answer to the question Duo asked (which this discussion is about) So if Duo marked you wrong it is not because your sentence is wrong by itself but because it is the wrong translation

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Would this be, literally, "Forty in a hundred of children eat apples?"

I put " Cocuklarin yuzde kirki elmalar yerler." how is this wrong?

If the object is indefinite, the plural is unidiomatic in Turkish, except for some rare cases.

Assuming that "apple" is the object:

an apple / apples → elma

the apple → elmayı

the apples → elmaları

I think we can't use yerler as well because the subject here is the third person ( It is considered so). Unless you are owing to say Onlar instead of Çocuklar

From what i understand For the third person plural (which is onlar or anything you can replace with onlar) you can use either plural (yerler) or singular (yer)...

*unless the "onlar" we are talking about are non human and you have to use the singular(!) ... (But they said that its not a very known law so theyre not strict about it)

why "kirki" and not "kirgi" ? (sorry i do not have turkish caracters)

Irregular. Usually one syllable words don't undergo consonant softening.

Maybe its because its not between 2 vowels..(?)

i just dont understand why "yerler" is incorrect here

wis88

Hello.

"Forty percent of children eat apples." - Çocukların yüzde kırkı elma yer.

i just dont understand why "yerler" is incorrect here

Ye - eat.

Yer - eats.

Yerler - they eat.

Çocukların - "of the children." 3rd person plural.

The verb does not need to be conjugated as the noun is already plural.

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"Elma" is expressed as a singular noun.

Thank you.

Why elmalar is wrong if the sentence says apple(s)?

I too find the construction tricky. But my comment is that sentences like this one, that include a number and are repeated from one session to another, could easily have the numbers changed from one time to the next ... a little more coding, but better numbers practice for all.

Why is "yerler" marked wrong?

I think the subject is in singular (40%) and therefore ''yer''

Can someone give me the literal translation? Without changing the word order

Children's in a hundred forty(forty is related to children) apples eat [literal without order]

Forty in a hundred of children eat apples [literal with understandable order]

Of children, out of one hundred, forty, apples eat

By the way i have been advised not to translate the sentences literally

We shouldn't when we're speaking, writing, or translating on Duo... But it can sometimes be helpful to think of things literally for a minute to understand the structure. :-)

yer here is optional;right?

can i say yerler??

Why the ın in the end of Çocukların?

Because it is the genitive case.

Why is apple suddenly in singular form? Why not elmalar??

That was my answer exactly but it keeps indicating it is wrong

Hello, manoraii. In "Çocukların yüzde kırkı elma yer," we have a genitive structure in which "Çocukların" is the possessor and "kırkı" is the possessed. To follow the Turkish word order very strictly, we would have "Children's in-one-hundred forty apples eat," or "Of children percent forty apples eat." Of course these are not proper English sentences, but if you focus on Çocuklar-ın and kırk-ı (and review the TIPS on Possessives, if it helps), the sentence might make more sense. The structure is the same as in "Sixty percent of doctors are male," seen elsewhere in the course.

Let's say I wanted to say "Children eat 40% of the apples". I don't understand how that would be different.

I think it would have to be different, since you're talking about changing the "possessor" (the object of "of") from the children to the apples ...

Why we put, çocukların,,, first, Why cant we say "Yüzde kırkı çocuklar elma yer

The standard structure we've learned for possession is
[possessor]xn [possessed]x, where the bolded x's represent the vowels used in four-way harmony. E.g., "kedinin pijamaları" ("the cat's pajamas") or "Çocukların (yüzde) kırkı" ("of children, forty (in a hundred)"). I have not seen examples where the possessor follows the possessed, as in the version you ask about. And of course, your version also leaves off the required "xn" marker.
https://www.duolingo.com/skill/tr/Possessives/tips-and-notes