https://www.duolingo.com/AlanHogan

Lingot rewards for streaks are gone.

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This was, irrationally, a big motivator for me: Upon reaching a 10-day streak, you were rewarded 1 lingot; at 20, 2; and so on.

Today I reached a 100-day streak for the first time ever… and nothing.

Upon checking the lingot reward guidelines at the bottom of the Store, I realized that streak rewards are… gone.

I’m not going to lobby for a change, but I will personally miss the extra motivation, and my dream of becoming a lingot millionaire.

Thoughts?

Update, nearly 3 months later the blurb is back at the bottom of the store. See also: this discussion.

April 16, 2015

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This is the result of an AB test that was added yesterday as part of Duo's recently announced attempt to "fix" the lingot economy. Some users will continue to get streak bonuses while others do not. You (and I) are one of the unlucky ones, it seems.

cGlua29kb3Vn

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

Ugh, well I don't agree with A/B testing something like a virtual currency. Sounds like a recipe to annoy half the user-base.

April 16, 2015

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True, in some way...

April 16, 2015

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I'm curious if you know of another test method that you think would work better.

April 17, 2015

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Maybe they could ask people if they want in to the test group? Then each user could choose the method most motivating to them, and Duo would see which option was more popular. The 'lingot economy' is no such thing when there is no means of exchange (as opposed to gifting) between users. The more important thing is giving people tools that help them keep motivated to learn, surely?

April 18, 2015

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They have to test what makes people more motivated. If they asked people if they wanted to join it would skew the statistics.

April 18, 2015

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But people are different and use different methods of motivating themselves, though I guess those effects even out over a large sample size. Do you know how they choose who goes into each group (level, language, length of using site etc), or do these things tend to be entirely random?

I can live with it either way; what I find frustrating is working out how I can best work with a tool and having the rules arbitrarily changed. I've only been here 3 months and already there have been two significant detrimental changes. Is this rate of decay typical of Duo, or have I just been unlucky?

April 18, 2015

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Sorry, I can't respond to your other comment directly.

Although, different people find different methods Duo seems to like to have one officially.

They choose who joins the test randomly, so the statics don't get skewed.

They frequently test new features. Because they normally choose the method that works best for the most people I tend to think of it as improvement rather than decay, but if you are opposed to the changes I can understand calling it decay.

I hope I helped to answer some of your questions.

April 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AbhigyanDas

gave you the lingot to prove you wrong :-)

January 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/elgatojengibre

It is a dumb idea. I am not interested in discussion with you. Maybe they should make all kinds of dumb changes just to find out that they were dumb... If they do not care about being a good business I guess they will.

April 17, 2015

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It creates Haves and Have-nots .. lol

February 3, 2017

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She said it wouldn't take away any lingots. I also think that there need to be changes to the system and not everybody is always going to be happy with changes.

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/elgatojengibre

Some users do not get the lingots that they have worked for during the past 9 days and some do. The users who have lost their ability to earn lingots in this way are being disadvanged because of a test? What does this have to do with lingot inflation? Like Adam said, this is just irritating if it happens to you and others do not care. Bad idea Duolingo.

April 16, 2015

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There's simply no better way to test it than to try it on half the community. If the test does well then everyone will have it, and if not, not.

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

The web industry is in love with A/B tests but it doesn't mean it is ALWAYS the BEST approach to every issue. I particularly don't like it used when it hurts the long-term brand or to answer questions like "is the sky blue?"

EDIT: @Elorac72 IMO: I imagine they want to ensure removing the streak reward will not overly influence daily site/app use. Removing the streak rewards (and other ways to farm lingots repeatedly) would be towards balancing lingots given and lingots spent (make lingots more valuable and encourage the use of other trees rather than farming lingots). Maybe they should "test" just giving one lingot every 10 days of any streak (instead of 2 for 20 etc). You are spot on about testing two changes at once, generally a bad practice :( "Fixing" the supply of lingots before increasing demand for lingots is the right order, though (people will complain less as they don't have much use for lingots anyhow, at the moment). Probably, Duo is more interested in how new users are affected rather than existing "hooked" users - a problem that seems identified is users dropping out part way through their first tree (these changes won't help, yet, but hopefully all the fixes when done will help people's motivation fingers crossed).

April 17, 2015

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But how is 'doing well' measured?

Fewer lingots issued? Surely they don't need a test to tell them that not issuing lingots will result in affected users accumulating fewer lingots.

Decreased daily usage by those no longer rewarded? Why would they want that?

Number of complaints?

Change in numbers of lingots given to other users? Again, do they really need to test that? And why would they care?

Increase or decrease in time spent on site? In my case, I might well have to spend longer as this change has coincided with rolling out the lower points for completing lessons and removal of lingots for perfect lessons. Changing two variables at the same time seems a poor test to me. This place is starting to feel more like a lottery than a game.

April 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Marcaryos

The lingot system seems irrelevant right now. It needs reworking. Duolingo needs to be doing these sorts of tests.

April 17, 2015

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...the lingot economy they crashed when they AB tested throwing out way too many lingots in immersion.

dd2927a3e0

April 17, 2015

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I actually think it goes back even further. I don't think the whole concept was particularly well thought out or planned. From the beginning there were far more lingots flowing into the hands of users than there were ways in which to spend them. I'm sure someone at Duo had some grand vision of adding more purchasable content, badges or customizations, but like so many things with Duo, other things took priority and this was forgotten about.

April 17, 2015

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This might be true. This was apparently before my time? Anyway, with showering immersion users with insanely high amounts of lingots to lure them into it was, at least, one step to "crash" the "economy". :)

The damage control with not giving lingots for users who keep up their streak is a pretty strange move. It seems (to me) that long time, literally every-day users, get punished. Personally, I don't care much about lingots. Yet, the "pocket money", if you get 10 days straight, was kind of a reward (however useless they are except donating them). The same applies to the 7-day wager: it's a game.

April 17, 2015

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Oh yes, I totally agree that was a giant mess that made a bad situation worse. As for the fix they're testing, I've given up trying to understand the reasoning of the Duo team.

April 18, 2015

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Yes, I know! :) I'm still trying to understand one or another move (to no avail).

April 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

Great examples of pitfalls with A/B testing and virtual currency in gamification. Sometimes, A/B testing is used to replace common sense. A/Bing significant discounts on the same product in e-commerce is another classic mistake.

For a risky change a beta test group is a better idea; they agree to be guinea pigs :) Or, at least keep the impact down by testing a small "A" group that is still statistically significant (using a sampling method that suits the purpose, random sampling usually). Many times metrics will tell me the answer, anyway; a good A/B test is one I can't tell you the answer to, beforehand.

Finally, if you have a change you're sure of (based on what the industry has already A/Bed into oblivion) make the change (one at a time!) for everyone then compare the metrics of the week after to the week before (and revert if absolutely necessary - which you would have to do anyway if A/B testing on half your users).

That being said, A/B testing is a great tool, generally.

April 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/iSamurai

I really don't see why they need to test this in the first place. And we all know they are trying to put a band-aid on a festering wound that is the lack of options for spending lingots. This economy can be likened to economies in MMORPGs, which always have inflation problems. But in those games there are always 'gold-sinks' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_sink). Right now duo just doesn't have enough options for people to spend their lingots. It would behoove them to study the economies of games like WoW and implement solutions that have already been tried and true in MMORPGs and the like.

April 22, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

Osu!

April 22, 2015

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OMG what a lucky I am, I still have that thing!... This will be very weird.... haha, Duo...

April 16, 2015

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I still have it too.

April 16, 2015

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Then happy 4 lingots!

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Carolyn250

I am not sure what Duo. thinks needs "fixing" by instituting this change. I have more lingots than I ever can or will use, so they could stop giving them to me tomorrow. But, as Jolynne has said- there is still a smile when another ten day landmark has passed. The only motivator left for long time users will be experience points, and those are being sadly reduced for those who review lessons. (Yes, of course, other than learninng the language, but I am referring to extrinsic motivators here.)

April 16, 2015

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There's still the streak itself.

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/ProctorThomas

Both the streak and the lingots are completely arbitrary numbers with no actual use. However, the lingots increased quadratically, while the streak only increases linearly. I was really looking forward to having a large pile of quadratically growing lingots that I would proceed to hoard like a dragon sitting on a pile of gold.

May 6, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/elgatojengibre

what? why did you tell Carolyn that?

April 17, 2015

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I think no name was saying there is still the pure streak number itself, you know, just being proud of your streak regardless of lingots.(I am sure that is true for some, although I wouldn't speak for Carolyn.)

April 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/elgatojengibre

is that what you really think Alan? pretty smart. But I don't think Carolyn denied the existence of streaks. And I asked him not you...

April 17, 2015

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I see. My mistake was failing to realize you were simply being a bully.

(For the record, she said that XP was the only motivator left for longtime users, so a reply pointing out that streaks still exist and can be motivating is perfectly appropriate.)

April 17, 2015

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Congrats on your 100 day streak!

April 16, 2015

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I, too, will miss it. :( As meaningless as lingots are in any absolute sense, it always made me smile to get my little pile of lingots every 10 days. And for whatever reason, I think that the 10 day bonus is what helped me stay consistent with my streak in the first weeks that I started using Duolingo. As an incentive, it seems especially helpful to motivating new users, so to me taking that part away does not make all that much sense.

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/lexbroch

Receiving Lingots via the streak method was an additional incentive for me to keep my streak going. There were many times back in the low streak numbers that I wanted to say "I'll take a few days off", but starting the lingot increment over as well as the streak kept me going. Different incentives work for different people, though not necessarily for the same reasons, but they work! I do hope the lingots return, I had some dreams of being Scrooge McDuck and sitting on my huge piles of lingots as well as giving them for good explanations, links, and such.

April 28, 2015

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Looks like I'll never have Lingots again. I relied on receiving a "ration" of Lingots every ten days to give out to people who answer questions and people who ask good questions. I almost always run out by the time I reach my next ration.

With no Lingots for perfect lessons, and no Lingot ration every ten days, I'm going to fall very far in debt with Lingot IOUs.

April 17, 2015

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I still have mine when I checked in the Lingot Store. Worthless as Lingots are, I still do enjoy getting them. Hopefully you are just part of an A/B test. Congrats on 100 days. Have some on me :)

April 16, 2015

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Thank you :) To be clear, your Lingot Store still describes that you can earn lingots for being on a streak?

I hope I am just on an A/B test too, although now perversely I want to lose my streak so the data shows the streak rewards do make a difference!

April 16, 2015

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To be clear, your Lingot Store still describes that you can earn lingots for being on a streak?

Yes, that is correct. The template for the lingot store page now includes code to hide that line from members of the AB test group (users for which d.u.a.ab_options.no_lingot_streak_reward is set to true). Users not affected by the test still see it as normal.

April 16, 2015

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We don't get them for perfect lessons anymore, now no more for streaks? So the only way left is to receive them from others or to finish a new skill?

Not fair at all. That forces you to keep learning new languages if you want more lingots. Not everyone on Duo wants to learn every language course they release.

April 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Margolf

exactly -- you'd think they would want long time users to stick around and translate things for them or something -- the changes they are making sure send the opposite signal........more of a 'we're done with you' message

April 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/iSamurai

You still get lingots for doing immersion though right? I imagine they want to get long time users doing more immersion than anything else since that's where they get their money from.

April 22, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

I know what you mean but something would have to be done to stop "farming" (a classic gamification problem you can only really minimize, never eliminate) of lingots by redoing easy lessons to earn "perfect" lingots .

April 17, 2015

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Ok, well that aspect I understand, but what is the justification for taking away the streak rewards?

April 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

If it were me, a reasonable compromise feels like one lingot for every 10 days of ANY streak. Stops inflation but rewards any consistent use.

April 18, 2015

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Why does 'farming'matter here? There's no advantage to building up a high lingot score other than looking really generous for giving them away. If people want to farm easy lingots they are only harming their own language learning.

April 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

Oh, sure, how it is now - lingots are just a sort of novelty.

But, if you read the announcement from Duolingo they are planning to add enough for you to spend lingots on to make them more valuable to users. To help that they would have to make it less easy to farm lingots and avoid any inflationary rewards - just like the gamification industry has learned already - so that the virtual currency income matches virtual currency spending.

April 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/iSamurai

How long have they been talking about adding stuff to buy? I have only really been using this for a few weeks, but I initially made my account a long time back. There is still barely anything to spend lingots on, and I imagine there was about the same amount back then. That is the real issue at hand though. And this no streak thing is just a band-aid.

April 22, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

Not sure. I've only been on the site 60 days - just finished my French tree. So, I've experienced only the current/recent Duolingo and it is as you say, I find.

I assumed the message they were sending was "OK we got you addicted to start off but, really you are motivating yourself, now be motivated by learning the language using our process". Also, "please translate a LOT cuz that's how we make money, eventually".

I'm betting a lot of drop-outs happen after the initial stages, because of this, especially as more complexity is introduced around the 3rd checkpoint. Long sentences turn people off :( I would relax gender on long sentences (ones that don't fit in the box!!!) and treat mistakes of gender like accent mistakes (or make the user fix the mistake instead of marking them wrong).

IMO doing the test costing 25 lingots once a week is a good idea and would make lingots more valuable to someone as they would have many fewer "spare" lingots. But making that mandatory would go against the "determine your own learning approach" of Duo, which I like (eg set your own daily goal).

Osu, Samurai!

April 22, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/iSamurai

@AdamLGRing (Can't reply to you directly, I hate these forums) What you wrote is exactly how i feel, well put.

April 22, 2015

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Yes, I just found this after posting my own, I was hoping to reach 700 lingots with my 230 day streak, but nothing. Am I the only one who has been seeing a decline in Duolingo Quality? First no more hearts (less lingot earning for full heart bonus and the 5 (I think) lingots that I bought heart restore with are now gone), now the streak lingot reward is gone. Soon there will be no ways to earn lingots.

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdiMarie

a few lingots for you..Proly won't get you to your goal yet...:-(

April 16, 2015

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No, no. My post got me 300 lingots. But thanks anyways!

April 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdiMarie

ok...lol!! ur welcome

April 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdiMarie

Makes me sad.., it seems lyk I am one of the unlucky ones too...And I had so been looking forward to getting lingots again in a few days..;-) lol

April 16, 2015

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Me too :(

April 18, 2015

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I wish I could buy a vacation streak-freeze once a year. I will be leaving soon and I will certainly be in planes and other places with bad or no internet connection.

April 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

Get a friend to keep your streak going . . . but yeah, good idea.

April 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

Nah, that needed to go. Same with the lingot bet. Then do the best to stop people scumming lingots in various ways. Classic gamification / virtual economy issues, no need to reinvent the wheel, just learn from other products out there.

I've stopped giving away lingots - they may become more precious! [EDIT: haha ok I'll give away those 50 lingots you gave me!]

April 16, 2015

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I am not so sure I understand your argument. What “issues” do you think were caused by providing ways to accumulate a virtual currency with no rewards other than buying language progress tests??

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/zChupacabraz

no issues, It is just another authority lover on duolingo agreeing with whatever is done and acting as an apologist for Duolingo.

April 16, 2015

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First off, you're assuming motives. Second, people have been complaining about how low the value of a lingot is for as long as I've been on this site.

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/zChupacabraz

How many complaints about lingots for streaks have you seen? How will messing around with how half of the people get lingots increase the purchaing power of lingots. Don't respond if you don't have a good response. You are all over this post saying meaningless garbage. I doubt you even understand the issue. Or you just like giving extremely obvious answers. Either way, when i see your smiley face i just scroll past it.

April 17, 2015

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Since everything you can buy with lingots has a set price it cannot increase their purchasing power. As I'm sure you're already aware the test will make it harder to obtain lingots, possible increasing their perceived value.

While no one that I'm aware of has complained specifically about gaining lingots from their streaks, they have complained about how easy it is to run out of things to buy.

The Duolingo team has said that they can only predict the success of an A/B test with a fifty percent accuracy. Because of this they like to A/B test everything. That is how messing around with how half of the people get lingots could help.

If any of this seems obvious and incorrect, please feel free to try to explain why you think it is wrong.

April 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

Inflation. I could see one lingot every 10 days of any streak. But, great work on 100 :)

Oh, and I agree we need more to spend lingots on . . .

April 16, 2015

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You may be right that the rewards for streaks were too high. I wonder if there is some middle ground… after all, isn’t it much more awesome to reach a 100 day streak than a 10 day streak? (Yes.) But maybe it isn’t quite 10 times better, since the difference can be simply a handful of missed days in the middle…

Inflation, though? There is no “economy.” The only things we can buy here are fixed-cost digital goods with virtually zero supplier cost, no elasticity, unlimited demand, etc.

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

Agree with you. Maybe add a new "PREMIUM" currency . . .

---evil laugh--- (yes, please downvote this terrible idea!!!)

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/klinehopper

The problem is not the awarding of lingots but with the lack of available items with which to spend them on.

In my humble opinion, they should be concentrating on the Lingot store items and not on reducing awarding lingots. From browsing the board (in my short time here ) I think this is what the majority of people have been asking to be done, not diminish awarding lingots.

April 17, 2015

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What a pity! It's such a little thing, but I was really looking forward to my six lingots yesterday--I was disappointed when I didn't get them. I'm trying to save up to buy the bonus skills when the Esperanto course goes live...which, I mean, yeah, is pretty silly as a life goal, but it was keeping me motivated to come back every day and study. I think this was a misstep.

April 17, 2015

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To whoever tipped me six lingots--what a touching gesture. Thanks so much. I'm going to pass six along in the forums myself.

April 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/yodydee

Hi, I still get everything, extra lingots for streaks, even the extra XPs (hearts) when I use my iPad. But I get none of these when I use my Android device. Weird but true. It must be an Apple plot! I still prefer my Android, its Duolingo app is better and more feature rich, but it's a cheapie, only has wifi, so I can't use it everywhere.

April 16, 2015

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They're AB testing the heartless/strength-bar based exercises on Android. You're one of those in the test group, apparently. I still have hearts on my Android devices, but my wife doesn't. As I understand it, the most recent iOS update switched over to the strength-bar system for all users, so you may want to avoid upgrading if you prefer that style.

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/iSamurai

Do the people running this site really think that EVERYTHING needs to be an A/B Test? I've never seen anything like this before. It's crazy.

April 22, 2015

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Weird — not me, I hit my 100-day streak on an iPhone. How recently did you hit a streak? (Edit: Clearly, five days ago, as you are on day 25.) I think the change was made less than 24 hours ago, giving the timing of the post linked by pinkodoug. Also, it sounds like your Duolingo app is out of date on that iPad.

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/yodydee

Ah thanks. You're absolutely right, I've just checked and an update is waiting for me in the App Store. Its description says that it will get rid of the "three strikes and out" feature. I suspect that at the same time I'll lose those extra hearts, too...

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Margolf

don't update!!

April 18, 2015

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Wow, I hit 100 days yesterday, and I think I got lingots, so it must be a very new change. Anyway here's one of my lingots. :)

April 16, 2015

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Gave you ten lingots to help :) Congratulations on 100 days!

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/SethFriday

I'm sitting on 858 Lingots at the moment, and my current goal is to reach 1,000. I was hoping to do so before my 365 day streak, but after they took away the hearts i lost all hope since i had to rely on streak alone. It sounds silly, but the streak lingots are the only reason I've been on Duo at all this semester. I'd be too busy otherwise.

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdiMarie

buy double or nothings...if you keep your streak, you get 5 lingots every week.

April 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/SethFriday

I have been. It's actually what made me start keeping a steady streak to begin with. But as the ten day rewards get larger, those 5 lingots became worth less and less as motivation.

April 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdiMarie

ya, i believe that :(

April 18, 2015

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I just got myself out of bed to finish a lesson and get a 50 day lin got boost. And...notta. Can we opt out of the A/B test?

April 17, 2015

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No you can't. Otherwise people would opt out of all the unpopular ones and Duo wouldn't get to see the 'effect' of their tests.

(Actually, they get to see who didn't like them, but they could do that by reading the forums. I can tell you now that they very rarely respond to these kind of posts).

Here's the five lingots you would have got for your streak. :)

April 18, 2015

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Hmm. This could be tricky. I had a plan to take a Swedish progress test every month and I need to fund it somehow. I currently only have enough savings for ... 64 tests.

I guess I'll be ok for a bit.

April 17, 2015

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We hate the changes at my house, too. Plus, I like to see my total points and my level on my phone (which is where I most frequently use Duolingo) and they have taken away that pleasure from me. Since everyone has a different motivator, it makes no sense to remove any of them!

And I don't care if lingots are inflated; they are a tool for many… give them back! (I mean: Please restore them.)

April 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

Could people stop giving me lingots, please? I like the symmetry of the 2's. NS. Smart people will know how I "got" so many lingots... ;P

PS does 84 upvotes and 143 lingots donated to @AlanHogan's post mean only about 200-500 people are reading the forums? Have also been thinking once lingots can be used to buy more stuff there will be problems with people selling lingots with the forums and paypal . . .

Lingots all in twos

April 27, 2015

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Hey Adam check me out More lingots than u!!!

April 28, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamLGRing

Nailed it :) Reminds me of that "infinity +1" joke . . .

April 28, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/superjessem

I still have streak rewards

April 16, 2015

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I wondered why I didn't get 7 lingots today! I hope they come out with some cool new things to buy with lingots-- make the system more interesting.

April 17, 2015

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Alan H., I wasn't aware that you could receive lingots in that manner, but that might have motivated me more also, just as a fun thing. It seems that I've made it to 10 days a few times and 13 was the longest, even though I study every day, just sometimes it's after midnight and it goes back to zero.I certainly would like them to bring back the lingots. 101 days is very good!

April 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Jollystr

Oh no! I'm new to Duolingo and I love the Lingots. I'm due to get 3 tomorrow for my 30 day streak and I see that they are no longer in the store... so I'm in the category of people that won't get a lingot for a 10 day streak. This is disappointing. I know that they are meaningless, but keeping a streak going is a good thing for learning a language. Does anybody know how long this A/B test will last for? And how will Duolingo know if the test is successful?

April 17, 2015

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I've seen them run A/B tests for a week, and for more than 8 months. They look at the data when they choose to, and decide if the test has increased user interaction (or some such phrase that they use) or not, and from that they decide whether everyone gets the new feature or not.

We don't (usually) get told what is happening or when, we just find it out when people start posting. Welcome to being a lab rat. As a consolation (and in good faith that you will reach 30 days tomorrow), here's your three lingots. :)

April 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Jollystr

Hi Moomingirl. Thank you for the 3 lingots! I don't mind being a lab rat. The real reward for me is that I should be able to speak passable Italian by the time I go to Italy in August!! I don't need lingots to lure me. I think they'll probably revert the decision eventually. Thanks for your response !

April 18, 2015

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Congratulations on your 100 Day Streak! Here's 10 lingots!

April 18, 2015

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Can't some talented person make a script to bring it back? I'm lucky, cause I just got 42 lingots today for my 420 day streak, but I remember being angry that I wasn't in the A/B test for the new Italian voice. Someone eventually made a script and then I had it. That A/B test went on for an unreasonably long time since everyone agreed that the new voice was better, so I don't feel bad about potentially messing up their stats.

April 18, 2015

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Is there any good reason for Duo to stop giving us lingots? My main reason for using Duo is that it's another tool for language learning, and more fun than many of them. I know there's not much we can do with lingots; even so I loved getting them and was really looking forward to being awarded 30 this morning for completing a 300-day streak. I hope Duo decides to reinstate streak rewards and gives us back pay..

April 19, 2015

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I've just hit a 430 day streak and found the same thing - not happy! It's not as though I'm doing anything with them, but I love seeing the balance increasing. What can anyone do with 947 lingots?

April 25, 2015

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I'm sorry you are a part of this. I am unlucky as well, but I think what we should do is report this to DuoLingo. That way, they will know that deciding to make a test like this was a big mistake on their part.

April 27, 2015

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I can understand that they want to cut down on excess Lingots floating around but just eliminating the reward for a long streak is hardly motivating, and feels like a betrayal from the Duolingo developers. Some kind of reward for a long streak is reasonably in my mind.

April 30, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Richarcj

Seeing the streak reward go away makes me very apathetic about lessons that need refreshing. I understand the concern some have with "farming" lingots by reviewing old lessons but seeing as they would be contributing to your day streak and wouldn't accrue as much XP as newer lessons would, you were simply choosing where to commit your time and still getting rewarded for your time. And review is important! Now I see my little bars for old subjects leaking strength and I roll my eyes because it looks like a pile of dirty dishes compared to the fun side quest it was before. I know learning a language is not all fun and games but Duolingo was the "vacation" component to my French curriculum, where I could kind of trick myself into pushing my boundaries and learning even more.

Then again, perhaps I'm just bitter because I only have 12 lingots now.

May 7, 2015

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Now you have 22 lingots, richarcj! Have fun learning French!

May 7, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Richarcj

Merci beaucoup! How thoughtful of you, I certainly wasn't digging for lingots but this is much appreciated! (Mad streak, by the way!)

May 7, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AvishekPaul

I am disappointed too. I don't see any point of keeping the streak now. First they had this thing, if you complete a lesson without losing a heart you get a lingot. They removed it too. Now the streak rewards are gone. Why Duolingo, why? This was such a motivation and now it's all over. I don't even see the point of buying streak freezers now. Why maintain the streak if you are not going to get anything from it? Meh.I wanted to be a lingot millionaire. Duolingo, bring it back, will you? :/

May 20, 2015

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I must admit, at 553 days, this is disappointing to me also.

May 26, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Gimcrack

Report this to the Duolingo support community. Go the the bottom of any page, click on help, scroll to the bottom of that page and click Contact us. This will make Duolingo think twice about making this the new common.

April 17, 2015

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There goes my plan of getting 1000 lingot's and buying streak freezes every day...

May 12, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdiMarie

buy streak freezes every day? what's the point?

May 12, 2015

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Being able to keep your streak without losing any lingots.

May 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AdiMarie

ok..:)

May 14, 2015

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I felt a little bit frustrated too, but Duolingo is still my favourite language learning tool. It's time to find others motivations. :)

May 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Searlasmane

I just got 6 lingots for a 60-day streak - but the streak is in two languages, shouldn't it be 12? No fair!

February 28, 2017

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Gone again in early 2018. Didn't get a read for my 700 and 710 day streaks.. Bute lingot store still says that there are streak rewards.

January 17, 2018

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I think they are focusing more on giving lingots in chests now to try to mimic the incentive patterns in mobile games. In my view, they are hoping to get rid of "free" lingots even though people are addicted to their streaks (like me) and are very disappointed by this move.

January 17, 2018

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I thought they were supposed to be incentivising us to learn. Fairly disappointing although realistically I don't need lingots. Of course this means I don't need to open chests either.

January 22, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/raghorn

I also enjoyed the streak reward. If people don't they can give them to me. =)

December 12, 2018

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I have a question for you: Would it still motivate you, if the number of lingots would be the same, or rise extremly slower (like 2 lingots when reaching 50)?

I think that is where the lingot inflation comes from. Not having to much things that bring lingots, but getting to much lingots at once.

April 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/aj10612

What the f are lingots for? What can I even get with em?

October 1, 2015

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u can hoard them

October 1, 2015

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@AlanHogan, please use pre-existing discussion next time instead of creating a new one. It will help us cut down on clutter in the discussion forum. Thanks! :)

April 16, 2015

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@Usagiboy7 I tried. I searched the discussions for “streak lingots” and scanned the stickies, and saw nothing relevant. How was I to know?

April 16, 2015

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I forgot to check the time stamp. If yours was out before Vivisaurus's discussion in the Popular tab, that makes sense. You did the right thing by checking around first. Thanks! :)

April 16, 2015

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This is just my proverbial 2 cents, so take if for what it's worth. Vivisaurus' post does not specifically mention this change. Other users, like myself, pointed it out further along in the thread. While viv's topic is a vague announcement that "something" will be done to "fix" the lingot economy, it doesn't address any one specific issue. This topic seems to be a separate, but related subject to Viv's thread, focused on a specific change. As a result, I think it's worthy of its own post.

April 16, 2015

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I just checked, and Vivisaurus' discussion was 37th on my list of Populars (as anyone learning multiple languages knows, those stickies and other populars add up fast). So it's not like one is likely to stumble across it or scroll down that low (with the loading speed of comments being what it is).

I tend to check the forum several times a day, and had thought I hadn't missed any discussion (except for the obvious spam), but I, too, had missed this and only saw it because pinkodoug linked to it.

Personally, I'd vote for working on the search function before even glancing at the lingot economy.

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/HappyEvilSlosh

I'd vote for working on the search function before even glancing at the lingot economy.

Hear, hear!

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/klinehopper

Exactly

April 17, 2015

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I normally just search with Google.

April 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/klinehopper

I do this too, but it would be nicer inside of duo for me.

April 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Roger.Hernandez

i dont care

April 16, 2015
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