https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Margolf

Bring back 10-day lingots

NOT NICE DUO!! - Bring back the 10-day lingots. For people who have completed their tree, there's pretty much no other 'scorecard' left for us when you take away the the 10-day lingots..... it's the last little bit of 'play' in keeping score- we get no positive 'ticky marks' for re-golding, or reviewing lessons and very little positive feedback for translation .........so.......not much incentive to keep active here when you take away the last little bit of 'gaming' we have to play around with.......just saying.......no new lessons.....was great while it lasted, but you're taking away the last bit of play......

if others agree that taking away the 10-day lingots are a meaningful loss to the experience and incentive, please comment and up-tick............

April 17, 2015

72 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/1000010010111

Bingo. 10-day lingots are important manifestations of positive re-enforcement. When you finish a tree, you basically have to rely on 7 day wagers or translation up-votes for positive feedback. The latter option is frustrating to me because I constantly have to go to the lingot store to remind myself how far I am from a payoff . The former is frustrating to me because it happens more or less at random. Going a week without an upvote is tremendously discouraging.

April 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/covic

Exactly. Duo was famous for gamifying language learning, for making it fun and motivating. We were encouraged to work daily and truly learn the lessons. Why are they killing the mechanism?

First they stopped rewarding flawless lesson. Now they've stopped rewarding streaks. The only automatic reward left is for completing lessons. This means we're encouraged to what - race through the tree without an effort to remember and after that not come back, forgetting everything?

Bad Duo.

April 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BLPK

Plus I just bought a streak freeze, for the first time, after losing several streaks over 100 and one over 300, so as soon as I spend 10 for a streak freeze they remove the incentive. It is all silly, but I was surprised how much better I've been learning since they installed the lessons that don't make you start over if you lose 3 owls. The thing most silly about lingots is that there's nothing (much) to buy with them. If they let us buy chances for lotteries for free trips here or there, there'd be big incentive and I KNOW there'd be a lot of companies competing to supply prizes for those lotteries just for the advertising on here. This site is valuable in terms of its educated demographic. Goodbye streak, but I wish they'd return the 10 lingots I just spent for the streak freeze.

April 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MultiLinguAlex

I wish they'd return the 10 lingots I just spent for the streak freeze.

Here are ten lingots for you.

April 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BLPK

Well now I feel foolish bc there's nothing to do with a lingot anyway so I gave you ten back. But thanks for the gesture!

April 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/marcelonada

Hello I understand that some change are necessary, but perhaps could be a nice idea to give back the lingots people that spent it for the streak freeze . For me for example I completed the knowledge tree, and now there are few ways to take new lingots (yes, I spent lingots to streak freeze).

May 4, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jfGor

Yeah I did also buy a streak freeze. They could have warned us and I didn't get my 15 for having a 150 day freeze. I am very sad.

April 22, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BLPK

I know. What keeps us going? For some time I've thought they should have real prizes for lingots. It would be a benign form of advertising. Airfare and hotels. We're a very valuable demographic, the language learners of the world.

April 22, 2015

[deactivated user]

    Duolingo has announced (see https://www.duolingo.com/comment/8129285) that they will change the lingot system and offer new opportunities to spend them. This may help you understand what is going on.

    On my side, I favor the 7 day wager. It keeps me focussed on maintaining my streak. I share the lingots I have when I notice someone sharing some great tip to optimize my learning experience.

    April 17, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/territrades

    Is there any announcement about this? Are they A/B-testing again?

    April 17, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MultiLinguAlex

    Hi territrades, vivisaurus announced here that they want to change the lingot economy and now they are A/B testing this.

    April 17, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Margolf

    I don't know if there's a formal announcement per se--but there are lots of posts about it. if you go look at the ways to earn lingots, the 10-day streak is gone........if you still see it there, then you're not in the test.......at least that's how I understand it.....

    April 17, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/territrades

    Well you are right, people are complaining, so I support your demand:

    Bring back the streak-lingots !

    I have to say that sometimes I just don't understand Duolingo's management. People are complaining and complaining about bugs in the skill strengths and problems in immersion, and they decide to put their effort into something everybody was perfectly fine with.

    April 17, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MultiLinguAlex

    Well, people have also been complaining for ages that they want to have a different lingot system here - buying more stuff in the lingot store and such things. In fact, lingots are useless for most of the people right now and I think that's why they want to change the system now.

    In my opinion, people keep their streak because they want to show their steady progress, their passion for Duolingo and its services offered, try to encourage others and keep their own motivation high for themselves.

    Receiving way too many lingots for a long streak is not necessary, but receiving nothing is the wrong way. It'd find it better if we could receive one more lingot every ten days, but that's my personal opinion and people may disagree with that.

    April 17, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AB7887

    Um.... earning lingots is a big motivator for me in keeping my streak. Seeing my number of lingots go up is (weirdly, I admit) a bit motivator for me.

    I'm not in the test group, but it makes me so sad to think that this is the route they're going down :-((((. In fact, I enjoy sharing lingots for good comments, and now, I feel like I need to hoard them!

    April 18, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/territrades

    Most people were complaining that there is nothing useful to buy in the store. It doesn't matter how you get your lingots if there is just nothing you want to buy. On the other hand, experience points have lost their importance on Duolingo, you still can't see a progress bar for your next level. Because of this, I thought of lingots as the new experience points, which you get primarily for steady and continuous studying.

    And don't forget two things: People like us with extremely long streaks are rather rare, plus every real economy has some overwhelmingly rich people. So today the economy on Duolingo is just like most real-world economies: Some are very rich, most have far less. The difference is, you don't really need your lingots on Duolingo.

    April 18, 2015

    [deactivated user]

      Billionaires don't need most of their money either. It is just a way to keep score.

      April 22, 2015

      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/klinehopper

      The problem is not the awarding of lingots but with the lack of available items with which to spend them on.

      In my humble opinion, they should be concentrating on the Lingot store items and not on reducing awarding lingots. From browsing the board (in my short time here ) I think this is what the majority of people have been asking to be done, not diminish awarding lingots.

      April 17, 2015

      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StephenL1

      At least make it so there's a new alternative way of earning Lingots. we've slowly been losing ways without gaining any. No more perfect lessons since the hearts system disappeared and now this.

      April 17, 2015

      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FrederickEason

      You can still get perfect lessons on the Android version, they haven't gotten rid of the heart system there.

      April 19, 2015

      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/roxyrenders

      I think that may depend on the version of the android app. I have my apps set to NOT auto-update. Today I used the app (version 3.4.0) and somehow the new system had been implemented - no hearts and also a percentage progress bar. I did at least get 10 points for a review lesson. My older versions - 2.7.2 and 2.9.0 were still fine. Both of those versions are before the addition of the Coach to the android app.

      April 21, 2015

      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FrederickEason

      I have both the coach and hearts. I'm on version 3.5.0.

      April 22, 2015

      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/roxyrenders

      Up until yesterday, the 3.4.0 also had the coach and hearts. Hopefully your version will stay the same as well as both my older versions.

      April 22, 2015

      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Elorac72

      They've taken away the reward for keeping up a streak? Now I'm on level 11 and levelling up takes longer, I was starting to use lingot-increase as a motivator. Knowing I was going to be rewarded for increasing my streak really helped on days when I felt less motivated.

      Of course, that's not the main reason for using the site, it's great to have free and advert-free lessons etc, but why take away another feature that aids motivation?

      April 18, 2015

      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Condorboy

      Totally agree.

      April 17, 2015

      [deactivated user]

        I just hit 200 and now I know why I didn't get my Lingots!

        April 17, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/covic

        Same here. 80 day streak - no lingots.

        April 17, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Fuzzy_Eva

        I agree. The lingots for 10 day streaks were (are, in my case) very motivating.

        April 20, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HolyT
        • 1757

        EDIT: See this thread: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/9331188

        I just noticed in the lingot store at the bottom, where it lists the ways to earn lingots, that the old message has returned, saying that you can earn lingots for maintaining a streak:

        "Earn 1 lingot for every 10 days on a streak (1 for 10, 2 for 20, etc)"

        Can anyone, who previously was not getting streak lingots, verify that you are now getting them again?

        If the A/B test has failed and we are now getting streak lingots again, I wonder: Will DL refund me 147 lingots for my 180-, 190-, 200-, 210-, 220-, 230-, and 240-day streak milestones that I passed when I was on the wrong side of this A/B test?

        June 29, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Margolf

        I see the same message- but can't tell what that's going to mean to those of us who were deprived of the lingots we earned during the 'test' -- would be nice if there was actually some communication from Duolingo on this - but I guess we'll have to wait and see

        June 29, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HolyT
        • 1757
        June 30, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Margolf

        thanks- I did see your post and the replies after I saw your comment on here-- I still haven't seen anything 'official' from duo.....I saw that you got your missing 147 lingots- that's great....wonder how that happened......I'm out 301......I do think they should restore the ones people missed- but who knows.......

        July 1, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HolyT
        • 1757

        Have a few lingots! I'm feeling philanthropic and munificent these days.

        July 1, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Margolf

        thanks! very kind of you

        July 1, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/covic

        The lingots are back!

        Just reached a 10 day streak and got my first lingot in 2 months.

        Thanks Duo!

        June 30, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HolyT
        • 1757

        Before I stopped getting my streak lingots around day 180, I had never (since my first few days on DL, on a travel day) missed a day. Since then, I have missed three days (and spent 10 lingots for the streak freeze to preserve my streak). This is anecdotal evidence that the streak lingots are a "gamification" motivator to keep me coming back to the site consistently.

        Six months, no missed days. Six weeks, three missed days.

        June 12, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/covic

        Same here. 100+ day streaks before, 10 day streaks now.

        June 15, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Izabela_K

        Huh? What? Why did they take away the way of rewarding streakers?

        April 18, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jfGor

        I haven't heard myself why taking away the 10 day streak lingots would be a good thing. I never heard why the XP bar went away either. Or why we can't write on our own profile activity. I do not like this.

        April 20, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/covic

        Why did the XP bar go away? Watching your experience crawl or soar to a new level was another great motivator. Now levels just feel random. One day you finish a lesson or practice and BAM - new level.

        What wer're left with now is just negative reinforcment. Fail to stay on track? You broke the streak. Broke the streak? Counter goes back to zero. All sticks, no carrots. That's not a game - that's homework.

        So apparently we have an inflation of lingots. I don't think so but fine. Use a different kind of motivator, then. Show a happy owl for every flawless lesson and each new week of everyday practice. Every 100xp, show how close we are to the new level. Something.

        I still think Duolingo is the best way to learn a language short of immersion, I just don't see why are they making it worse.

        Give us our carrots back, Duo.

        April 20, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Melarish

        You can get the progress bar back with a user script :) https://www.duolingo.com/comment/4914732

        May 22, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/covic

        Thanks

        May 22, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dan.Cline

        In five days I'll find out if they've done it to me, too. It's silly, but the massive number of Lingots provides motivation to keep a streak going. They're not much use, but fun to get nonetheless.

        April 18, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dan.Cline

        Noooooooo! I just checked the Lingot Store and it looks like they did it to me, too. Boo!

        April 18, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Christian89P

        Oh no =( I rely a lot on the 10 day lingots because I travel sometimes and do not have mobile internet to do my classes. So I often have to use the steak freeze. This change is really not nice DUO! Can some of you guys help me and send me some lingots? I only have 36 left =/ Would appreciate it a lot!

        April 19, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sbuckeye

        I'm 4 days behind you in terms of a streak! Currently you (OP) have 398 vs. my 394. I was upset when I didn't get 39 linguist for a 390-day streak. Now I won't get my 40 lingots for my 400-day streak. Or 50 for 500-day streak...etc. :(

        April 22, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DiffieHell

        Amen. It's apparently to adjust for inflation, because people were giving lingots away to each other too freely or something? Though it seems to me they could have resolved that by making more ways to spend them, instead.

        April 29, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlNSPq

        What difference does it make if someone is free with their lingots? Aren't they THEIR lingots to dispose of as they see fit? I don't need DL being my nanny.

        August 25, 2019

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Gimcrack

        Report this to the Duolingo support community. Go the the bottom of any page, click on help, scroll to the bottom of that page and click Contact us. This will make Duolingo think twice about making this the new common.

        April 17, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Bersalon

        Already did that. :-)

        April 18, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/susannahfaithc

        Although I agree with what you are saying, the people at Duolingo work so hard to make all of this free. I am so thankful that I can learn a language at absolutely no cost. They work so hard to make the sight free of little bugs or glitches, and make sure that we get the best education possible. Just stop and think for a moment about how blessed we are that we get a free education :D

        April 17, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lupus55

        When has Duolingo ever listened to the users input. I like the streak bonus as well, but nothing we say will change any design change they have in mind. Bit rich that they still offer a streak freeze in the shop though. LOL.

        May 5, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MarcosPazDuart

        10 day lingots are back!!!

        July 9, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Margolf

        yes- that has been very good news............unfortunately, they did not make everyone whole by giving us the lingots we earned during the test.......you'd think they'd be fair to the guinea pigs!! LOL..oh well.....apparently not

        July 9, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/aminbehravan

        I want 10 day lingots back, honestly I have too much Lingot that I don't know what to do with, but still I want my Lingot xD :D

        April 6, 2019

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlNSPq

        I did not receive any lingots for hitting the 460 or the 470 day marks. So why keep the streak alive. The lingots gave me a motivation for the days when I was feeling "Ehy bother? Take a break." This removal of the reward for hard work is a mistake!

        August 25, 2019

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/audreys2005

        whats 10-day lingots i haven't been on here very long

        April 17, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SenorDustin

        Every 10 days you added to your streak, you got that number of lingots divided by 10 (20 day streak = 2 lingots).

        April 17, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/audreys2005

        OK

        June 1, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HeatingUp

        I agree

        April 17, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MattBrick82

        Please bring back lingots. To many changes are disruptive and discouraging.

        April 26, 2018

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hujamboj

        AGREE. What bothers me is that the ten day lingots disappeared with no notice. Not nice Duo!

        August 27, 2019

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LorneG1

        Taking away the Lingots makes no sense at all. It costs Duolingo nothing to give them out. They are just being weird. There are a few other things they have added that are just garbage, if they have to take something out remove them.
        I know that they are (or they should be) doing a major rewrite to make this all work in HTML because FLASH is going away. Hope the 10 ingots don't get lost in the shuffle.

        September 1, 2019

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/laoskito

        hello has 0 lingots. what is the good way to get lingots?

        April 17, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iwc2ufan

        Don't you get them for completing lessons?

        April 17, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MultiLinguAlex

        No, that was the case for the old system (no mistakes = 13 XP + lingot]. As long as lessons and skills are concerned, you now receive them solely for completing whole skills (2 lingots).

        April 17, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/laoskito

        lessons do not give lingots? I have very few lingots.

        April 27, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MultiLinguAlex

        Just go to your lingot store. There, it is written what a lingot is and how you'll get 'em all.

        April 17, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/laoskito

        I do not have access to a lingot store i am new to Duolingo.

        April 27, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RubenB612

        Have you tried doing tge reverse tree or learning spanish from another language?

        April 17, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Margolf

        I was going to try that.....but the whole language-changing bit was too much of a hassle on my pc-was spilling over into other applications and causing more trouble than it was worth......if I could do it without having to mess with the broader language settings I might reconsider........

        April 17, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/herekittykitty99

        please no

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