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Lijst met moeilijke Nederlandse woorden

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Het taalgenootschap Onze Taal heeft een lijst opgesteld van de top tien moeilijkste woorden.

http://nos.nl/artikel/2030951-meteorologisch-moeilijkst-uitspreekbare-woord.html

Welke woorden vind u het moeilijkste uit te spreken?

3 years ago

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zij denken dat DIE woorden zijn het moeilijkst? er zijn sommige harder woorden dat ik kan niet LEZEN, laat alleen spreken

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zij denken dat DIE woorden zijn het moeilijkst? er zijn sommige harder woorden dat ik kan niet LEZEN, laat alleen spreken

Correctie: Zij denken dat DIE woorden het moeilijkste zijn? Er zijn woorden die zo moeilijk zijn dat ze niet eens kan lezen, laat staan uitspreken.

P.S. Ja, dit zijn de moeilijkst uit te spreken woorden, net zoals veel Engelstaligen het woord "Nucleair" moeilijk vinden en het dus uit spreken als "Nuculair" (of Aluminium vs. Aluminum)

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Er zijn verschillende woorden die ik heb met moeilijkheden gehad. Ik herinner me niet goed, maar ik denk dat de zonnestelsel woorden en sommige van de onderwijs woorden waren moeilijk.

(And please do correct my grammar, it needs work, I'm sure!)

3 years ago

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>Er zijn verschillende woorden die ik heb met moeilijkheden gehad. Ik herinner me niet goed, maar ik denk dat de zonnestelsel woorden en sommige van de onderwijs woorden waren moeilijk.

Gecorrigeerd:

>Er zijn verschillende woorden die ik moeilijk gevonden heb. Ik herinner me niet goed meer welke, maar ik denk dat de woorden over het Zonnestelsel en sommige over het onderwijs moeilijk voor mij waren.

Dus, dat zijn de moeilijk te leren woorden. Weet je toevallig ook welke woorden je lastig uitspreken vind?

3 years ago

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Bedankt! Maar dat zijn de woorden ik vind lastig te uitspreken... :) Er zijn andere woorden die ik moeilijk te leren gevonden heb.

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welke woorden? There are some words that chase me on top of the closet too.

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*ontop of the closet :)

3 years ago

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edited it

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Chasing into/on top of the closet...now that's one I've never heard before!

Well, again, I don't really remember which specific words until I encounter them again. It seems to be mostly whole categories of words I forget, like the adverbs, the "er + preposition" words (phrases?), a lot of those long education words that are hard to pronounce are also hard to remember the meaning of, and sometimes other nouns (like from the objects skill) confuse me. Sometimes there are individual random words I just can't seem to remember, though. What about you?

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That one Bart taught me. We started a conversation about idioms when I said "drive up a wall" and he said that the idiom used in Dutch that has the same meaning translates to "chasing on top of the closet". It's not taught on Duolingo.

I too hate the ers, hiers, and all that jazz. I'm surprised I don't get MIGRAINES from those.

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Yeah what Bart said. Now it's a matter of learning what they mean. I don't know what any of them mean (other than chase on top of the closet) but I'll figure them out and so will you

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Huh, looks like I can't reply anymore, so I'll just reply to mine...

Nice! What's the Dutch version of that idiom?

I've confused my Dutch friend a few times without even thinking about it by using American idioms. Whoops...

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I meant the Dutch translation of that "chase on top of the closet" thing, but that's cool too ;)

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That's exactly what he gave you. Iemand op de kast jagen. Drive someone up a wall would be iemand op een muur rijden

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@Gymnastical -- Ah, okay, I got it now. Whoops!

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To drive someone up a wall apparently roughly translates to "Iemand op de kast jagen."

I made a list of a few that kind of relate to the idioms @Gymnastical mentioned.

http://pastebin.com/7FpSG6ht

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@gymnastical Every time you say in Dutch "Tegen een muur op rijden" I get the mental picture of someone on a bike who crashes into a wall.

It's a very literal translation you're making and as someone who thinks in pictures, it's more funny than it should be (like you have with chasing someone up the cupboard).

3 years ago

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I think it's just that I've grown up around English idioms and not Dutch idioms and for you it's the other way around. Weet je wat bedoel ik?

3 years ago

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Hmmm, I definitely don't agree with the list. :) I really don't get why bavarois, uil and nieuws are anywhere near this list. Cholesterol also isn't that difficult if you ask me.

Ones I would personally add:

  • angstschreeuw
  • psycholoog (lots of people pronounce it sp instead of ps)
  • markt (I usually just pronounce it without the k)
  • afgelegen (for Zeeuwen only I guess, for us it's almost impossible to pronounce the second g, I always stick to my dialect h) :)

For non-native speakers the list would be completely different BTW…one of the most funny/embarrasing ones that comes to mind: "ik moet mijn hoer vandaag betalen" when "ik moet mijn huur vandaag betalen" is actually meant.

3 years ago

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Does the claim to be the rabbit of the Netherlands sound familiar to you? :p

I must admit, that other than the phrases which have specifically been designed to be difficult to pronounce, a.k.a. tongue twisters, I rarely stumble over my words. (The Dutch idiom for that being: "Over de tong struikelen").

On the other hand, the hard/loud G, isn't for me. Noord-Brabant for the win :p

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No it doesn't. I've read that the hard G for most English speakers is initially painful. I've tried it and because that is true I swore to never try accents again because I'll still be understood. There is debate about whether that means you're doing something wrong (omdat de Nederlanders krijgen geen keelpijn van het) or if it's totally normal as you get used to it. What do you have to say about that?

3 years ago

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I just don't do the hard G, but rather, I take a sound that is very similar to the English G sound, but then without the vocal cords and without the plosive, but rather turning it into a fricative. (Hope that makes sense).

The hard G is also a fricative, but a bit further back in the mouth. Thing is, if I were to do that, I'd have to start thinking about my pronunciation :p (Also a bit of provincial pride).

Soft G: Unvoiced velar fricative. Hard G: Unvoiced uvular fricative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Places_of_articulation.svg position 8 for soft G, position 9 for hard G

[x] = soft G, [χ] = hard G.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA_pulmonic_consonant_chart_with_audio

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Ehrm, no. That does not make sense. Please use simpler terminology.

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No you don't actually. I keep sarcasm out of online discussion

actually, you tell me what you SENSE, but I tell you whether your senses are telling you the truth or not

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrI2-bZ7wpc

That video seems to explain it well. Which parts of my explanation didn't make sense though? Maybe I can clarify a little.

voiced vs. unvoiced = using or not using the vocal cords respectively.

A fricative is a sound made by a narrow space, and a plosive is a pop sound (p/k/d) (Labial if lips are used (f/v/w), dental if teeth are used (s/z), labiodental if lips are pressed against the teeth (f/v/w), a coronal sound is made with the tip of the tongue against a place in the mouth, (th in English) and a dorsal is made with the back of the tongue (g/ch)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_G_in_Dutch

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That explains everything

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That explains everything

Do I sense a hint of sarcasm?

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No you don't actually. I keep sarcasm out of online discussion

actually, you tell me what you SENSE, but I tell you whether your senses are telling you the truth or not

I'm still not getting good at this :p

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what do you mean by "I'm still not getting good at this"?

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what do you mean by "I'm still not getting good at this"?

Sarcasm and I don't generally play well, especially when it's in text form.

3 years ago

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Duo Lingo learners can escape from the word 'uil': Just say Duo!

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>I think it's just that I've grown up around English idioms and not Dutch idioms and for you it's the other way around. Weet je wat bedoel ik?

I'm going to comment here so that the reply system works again :p

The correct word order would be: "weet je wat ik bedoel?

And yes, I understand exactly where you're coming from, (both literally and figuratively).

Much of what I've learned about English has been very England (not even the rest of the UK, just England) centric, and quite often more specifically about London.

I can even say, without telling "porkies", that I can "rabbit" a bit of Cockney Rhyming slang whilst not even having to really use my "loaf" all that much! :p

So, yes, I do understand a lot of figures of speech in English, and fortunately, both forms of English don't differ all that much (aside from a tiny bit of spelling, pronunciation and vocabulary).

Also, I do have images in my head when somebody uses a Dutch figure of speech. So, I do sometimes laugh at the Dutch ones as well (And boy do we have a lot of idioms ...).

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That's quite funny. :) Sometimes I picture things, sometimes I don't, I really don't know what the pattern for it is (if there is one).

I imagine England has some different idioms than we have in America...

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Do I need to have someone remind me not to use Dutch idioms when talking to a Dutch person until I can say them with a straight face? Would they look at me like I was CRAZY if I were to laugh at theirs? Or would they likely not give me any trouble about it?

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They might give you a look that says: "What's so funny about that." More likely you'll force people to imagine what they were actually saying for the first time since they were mere children, and will have a good laugh with you.

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if it's been a week, would they think me just crazy?

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Who cares?

You're into the idioms and culture bit of the language, which is more than can be said of most Dutch people learning English.

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You notice way more than I do. Are the Dutch just that vigilant or is it just you?

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You notice way more than I do. Are the Dutch just that vigilant or is it just you?

We have a tendency to play with idioms in my family. Whenever I crack those jokes outside of my family though, people seem to be flabbergasted, so that could be a large portion of the reason why I seem to notice all these idiom-related things.

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