"Öğleden sonra"
Translation:In the afternoon
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And "öğleden" is then an ablative? So, literally, it's something like "(away from the afternoon) - after"? (does that make sense?)
Almost correct, "öğleden" means "from the noon", and "sonra" means "after" or "next". hope this helps :)
And noon used to mean nine (as in the ninth hour, which was at 3 p.m. in the old days).
They started counting at sunrise, and the hours were longer during summer than during winter.
why 3 pm would be the ninth hour? Did they start counting hours from 6 a.m.?
If you're using a computer, you should be able to use dead keys to get the Turkish characters. I'm using AltGr for most of them. The only exceptions are ç and ş, for which I use dead keys. For cell phones and tablets, YMMV.
You can download keyboards for smart phones. There are plenty of free ones in the app store.
So how would you say "after the afternoon"? Would it be "öğleden sonradan sonra"?
That's correct but "akşama doğru" (towards the evening) is a common idiom for this.
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'Öğleden sonra' is literally 'after noon' like in English and other languages: French 'apres-midi' or German 'Nachmittag', for example. The pitfall is just that the Turkish postposition 'sonra' for 'after' always requires a preceding ablative -den/-dan.
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The "den" suffix adds the meaning of "from" to the word. So, "öğleden" would mean: " from noon".
For example: * evden [two parts: ev-den] means: "from the house".
Remember also that suffix "de" means "in", so for example: * evde [two parts: ev-de] means: "in the house".
This is kind of a dangerous way to think as it the logic doesn't really link up well in English! Some postpositions just arbitrarily require certain cases. "sonra" takes the ablative.
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Don't you mean 'ogle' takes the ablative since it has the '-den' postposition added to it and not 'sonra' ?
Also, could we instead say 'Sonra ogleden' to mean 'later from noon' ? Sort of like how we say 'o oradan' to say 'he is from there' ?
It lengthens the vowel before it and is needed to do just that. :)
Actually I think it is the changed form of the arabic letter غ, because it is actually really close, just stressing on the sound a little bit creates the sound of غ.
This is correct; ğ started out as a /ɤ/ which softened to a /ɰ/, which subsequently became /j/ between front vowels and, between back vowels, was often elided over completely.
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All the examples of öğleden sonra use it adverbially. Is there a noun meaning "afternoon"?
I think this is the noun. I mean in English, you wouldn't just say "Afternoon" because it wouldn't make sense alone. However, in other languages like Arabic and it seems also in Turkish, if someone asked you about a time, you could simply say " Afternoon" and it would mean :"In the Afternoon". I think this is why in the translation above, they made sense of the word by adding " In the ...".
Sometimes mistakes are due to missing word "the" which does not sound correct because we are learning turkish and not English. Moreover word the is not that important as the sentence makes sense with or without the. Please make some correction as due to this we loose our life line, Hearts i mean.
Is this necessary to use kitabı in Turkish daily conversation or only kitap is ok?
I'm getting confused with all these big words. Can't someone just explain to me why this doesn't mean AFTER NOON and instead means IN THE AFTERNOON, please? My Turkish teacher told me Ogleden Sonra meant After Noon...?!
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Isn't after noon in the after noon? "I will be there after noon" has about the same meaning as "I will be there in the afternoon".
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Google translate says it means 'lunch'. öǧle = noon, -de = in, at, so öǧle-de = (the meal) at noon
Wouldnt this mean "after noon/lunch"? And wouldnt in the afternoon be "öğlen". For example "Ne zaman görüşecez? Öğlen".
why does not the translation be "after the afternoon" or literally in arabic "من بعد الظهيره"
