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"İyi akşamlar, Selcen Hanım!"

Translation:Good evening, Ms. Selcen!

3 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Slydiad
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I realize this is just an example sentence, but is using the honorific with someone's first name like this the way people would normally do it in Turkey? In English there are situations where you can use an honorific with a first name, but using it with someone's last name is much more standard. Is the Turkish rule different?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ilknr1
ilknr1
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Yes, we use the first names with Bey and Hanım.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Slydiad
Slydiad
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Thank you!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ilknr1
ilknr1
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My pleasure.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vvsey
vvsey
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I think one reason for the above is that Turks had no last names until relatively recently. But if we think of "Lady" and "Sir", or "Queen" and "King" for that matter, they easily go with first names, too.

Now, how about Bay and Bayan? I heard them used with last names. Is that common?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DottyEyes

The U.S. South uses a similar convention. When I lived there, you'd often refer to people older than you as, for example, Miss Mary and Mister Fred. I like this convention. It combines the respect of an honorific "Mr." or "Miss" with the friendliness of the first name. Same deal in Turkey.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Selcen_Ozturk
Selcen_Ozturk
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no it is not common at all; we might use them with surnames for foreigners mainly. So "Bayan Selcen" is never used, "Bayan Öztürk" is almost never used, and "Bayan Smith" is sometimes used

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheRealRial
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Can't translate, need Selcen's surname.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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True. When talking about Ayşe Muratoğlu, "Ayşe Hanım" would (I think) be most idiomatically translated as "Mrs Muratoğlu" (or Ms Muratoğlu if you prefer).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SuhailBanister

¡Caray! Nearly halfway down the Turkish tree with no idea whatsoever, until now, that "Selcen" is a female name!

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bsimmo14
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i feel like with how unfamiliar with the language we are and the lack of gender it can be really hard to tell sometimes. Heck, sometimes I dont even recognize that a word is a name because the words are all so different than English and romance languages that I'm used to

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Stormrider--

Same here

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/boltushka
boltushka
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Why is 'aksam' in plural?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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That is how the greeting is said.

Similar with "iyi geceler" (good night) and "iyi günler" (good day).

Even with "iyi yolculuklar" (have a good trip) and "iyi uçuşlar" (have a good flight).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/suanyang
suanyang
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And iyi şanslar (good luck) too :)

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/joarvat
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Is this used for both Mrs. and Ms. then?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Selcen_Ozturk
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yes

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PersianPolyglot

Can this be used both ways as hello and goodbye ?

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Olegeo
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Why "lady" is not accepted?

1 year ago