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Errors in imperative questions

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I’ve noticed several imperative questions that look something like this:

http://i.imgur.com/I1wZ11m.jpg

In these questions there is no English to guide the user about the speaker’s audience, so any form of the imperative should be accepted. Unfortunately they all accept just one form, and it’s inconsistent (the example above requires parlez but I just had a different one that rejected dites).

Is there any way that these questions can be changed to accept the tu, vous, and nous forms, or otherwise removed? They’re very misleading to new users who will probably think there's some hidden rule.

5 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/sc_acc
sc_acc
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One of those examples of "I can't get it right until I get it wrong at least once or twice" that frustrates me so about Duolingo.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IAmJon
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I don't understand. These questions are the easiest. I only get these wrong if i don't read the sentence properly. Am i missing something? In the example you gave the rest of the sentence is Nous sommes en vacances. Therefore it is obviously parlez. That is not a hidden rule, that is a rule. Can any one of them be accepted? Has Duo led me to believe there is a rule when there is not?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/patlaf
patlaf
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Maybe I'm missing the rule, but how would you translate the two following sentences:

"Let's not talk about work : we're on vacation"?

Or, suppose you work with your wife. Surely you wouldn't vouvoie your wife, so how do you tell her (just her) "Don't talk about work : we're on vacation"?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aucunLien
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I am with the author of the OP. In the example he provides, "parle", "parlez" and "parlons" are all correct answer, as they fit plausible contexts to the sentence. I really don't see anything 'obvious' pointing to 'parlez' in particular...

This is a flaw in the questions database and should be reported to DL! The point of this type of questions is to have only one correct answer. BUT please do not get frustrated by this, simply report and it'll get fixed soon. They're still building this huge learning database, it's not perfect but it is getting better every day, and it will get better for those coming after you if you remember to report problems

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/patlaf
patlaf
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I've been reporting them! That question in particular I reported as long as 5 months ago (notice the image still says "iPhone" at the top - since it was before the android app came out)

I thought it was an isolated question, but while brushing up I came across 2 or 3 more questions exactly like it (and reported them).

This question still marks you wrong, so... if they haven't fixed it in 5 months I suspect my suggestions aren't getting through, or this type of question isn't designed to draw from a database (I think this is more likely). I made a discussion thread hoping someone at Duolingo might see it and address the problem.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sc_acc
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You say "please do not get frustrated by this", but I've found that's just impossible to do. There's nothing "not frustrating" about correctly answering a question and having it deemed incorrect.

So, instead, I leave for a few months, let other people do the grunt work of plowing through these instances that really should have been picked up by the question author before putting the question into production (either through testing, or through more rigorous rules for question creation), then come back and continue a little further, until I reach another "block point".

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aucunLien
aucunLien
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Yeah well, can't blame you, I got my share of frustrations in the first few months using DL. What I can tell you is that it wears off, you just accept it as a flaw because, imo, it's still the best tool out there.

That not fixing after months of reporting is worrisome though. You guys say it's not the only question of this type not being corrected? Can you remember more examples? I'm learning only German here, and i can't remember errors in drop-down menu questions...

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sc_acc
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I think the issue is that while to you the intent of the sentence is clear, it may not be to someone new to the language. Are the other forms grammatically incorrect? That's the issue that patlaf raises. If we're talking about grammatically correct answers being eschewed in favor of answering the hidden intention of the question, then it is definitely an issue.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IAmJon
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I'm such an idiot. I would have answered Parlons for that question (and got it incorrect). I got confused between the Nous and Vous forms. My confusion is a good example of what you were illustrating i guess. Duhh! haha! I can totally see where everyone is coming from now.

5 years ago