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"Ben çatıda bir kuş görüyorum."

Translation:I see a bird on the roof.

May 1, 2015


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Does this mean that I am on the roof while I'm seeing the bird? Shouldn't it be "çatıdaki bir kuş" if the bird is on the roof?

May 1, 2015


Interesting question.

First of all, it doesn't say anything about where I am. I may or may not be on the roof, but the bird is. So let's get that out of the way.

It's interesting (to me), because you've just made me realize something I had never thought about before. When I say "-daki", I immediately want to say "kuşu", i.e.; accusative. So, where does that lead us? Apparently, this -daki suffix makes the noun definite.

New rule:

X'de (bir) Y → a Y on the X.

X'deki Y('yi*) → the Y on the X.

*if it's the direct object.

There might be exceptions to this, and "çatıdaki bir kuş" doesn't immediately strike me as an error, but I just can't come up with an example that also sounds natural. "Çatıdaki kuş" is fine, but with the "bir", it sounds weird. Furthermore, I don't think one could ever use it as the object. You definitely need an accusative if it's the object. That is for sure.

Let's wait and see what other natives think. (Deorme! We need help! :D)

May 1, 2015


Huh, interesting. Your responses are helpful as always, Ektoraskan. That's interesting to consider. So for me, this raises the question: how would you specify that I am on the roof? Would I have to say I see it from the roof: "Çatıdan bir kuş görüyorum."?

May 1, 2015


Oh sure, you can express it in many ways. Yours is correct. Alternatively: Ben çatıdayken bir kuş görüyorum. (I see a bird while I'm on the roof). If you want to say that you only see the bird while on the roof and not elsewhere.

Or simply: Ben çatıdayım ve bir kuş görüyorum. (I'm on the roof and I see a bird.)

May 1, 2015


That makes sense. Thanks!

May 1, 2015


Merhaba Ektoraskan,

Thanks for the explanation. Very clear :)

However, I have a doubt : what about the construction X'deki Y when it's the subject of the sentence ? For example : The car in my garag is big. Would it be :

Garajımdakı araba büyük. -- or -- Garajımdakı arabayı büyük. ?

(And bonus, is the sentence "Rüyalarımdakı araba(yı?) var" is correct to mean "The car of my dreams exists." and I'm desperately seeking it all over Turkey ^^)

Thanks a lot ;)

December 21, 2016


Garajımdaki araba büyük.

Rüyalarımdaki araba var. is correct, but we would expand it a bit more to stress the var:

Rüyalarımdaki araba, (gerçekte) var olan bir araba. = the car in my dreams is a car that exists in reality.

Btw the -ki is not harmonized. It's always -ki, (except in dünkü and günkü).

December 21, 2016


Umm, interesting, thanks a lot :)

So "gerçekte" is "in reality" (or something like "really"), but why "var olan", and not just "var" ? I mean, what is the meaning of "olan" ? (is it from the verb olmak ?)

December 22, 2016


Cümle şimdiki zaman ingilizcesi geniş zaman. Bence dogru çeviri şu olmalıydı: I am seeing a bird on the roof.

September 14, 2016


I am surprised knowing you are not native Ektoraskan...

August 24, 2016


Oh but I am, bre!

August 24, 2016


Why my translation "I'm seeing a bird on the roof is wrong?" ...is there an english mistake? Please consider my mother tongue is Italian.

July 25, 2019


I think it's unfair that your answer was marked wrong. We don't use 'seeing' much in English and use 'see' more. I'm native and I got this question wrong as it far more natural English to say 'I can see a bird on the roof'

October 6, 2019


Why is 'I am seeing a bird on the roof' wrong? Goruyorum is present continuous is it not?

April 29, 2018


In English 'to see' is a stative verb that normally doesn't take continous form.

July 17, 2018


görüyorum =now görürüm =usually, generally, already

February 24, 2019
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