For preceded adjectives, that is the ending for the dative case. Don't ask me why! http://german.about.com/library/weekly/aa033098.htm
i understand the einem because it dress dative-neuter, but why is green also not in dative in which case it should be Gruenem?
Here, "grün" takes the -en ending because "einem" provides the gender and case information. so grün does not need to. "Not needing it" equates to -e sometimes, -en other times, just gotta learn 'em. (by now, you've probably got this, but I'm writing this in case it helps someone in the future!)
This is unclear. grün ends in "en" because it is a preceded by a definite article (einem), is neuter, and is dative.
Yes, but my point was that although one can memorize the tables, the tables aren't random; there's a system beneath them that might make it easier to learn them. For people who prefer systems anyway, for others, memorization might be the key.
When we're talking about color, we're talking about adjectives! So these are the adjective rules. Keeping that in mind.
So, basically I left out nominative, and accusative, which is a mixed bag and I'm still learning, not that I even have all these rules down perfectly :-). I'm hoping osmosis will eventually win over.
I believe what McMustard is saying is that in this example, not needing because if the case is dative and the -em ending (of the article) provides the gender, and therefore since all the information is also in the article, definite or indefinite (in this example indefinite), it's generic not needed takes the default -en ending.
Dative is pretty straight forward this way, and it's the only one without exceptions because the plural dative is already uses the -en ending. This is also great to know because for the color (or adjective) endings, when there is no article, you have to use the dative definite article endings.
In fact, all the no article endings are always the same as the definite article case endings except for genitive, which also uses the definite article case endings except for masculine & neuter (m/n) which will then get the generic not needed -en ending but just because genitive is weird?!.
FWIW, I would have rather called it "masculine" -en ending (used in accusative, and plural dative) than the not needed. If one used the -en ending ~71.5% of the times you'd be right, depending on the actual distribution of gendered words, which can be found here which ends up being about 62% right, not counting plurals which, if we did, would probably make it higher than 71.5% FWIW! :-)
Of course in a simple sentence such as The something is color, it has no ending and is in plain form.
Anyway, here's the links that give all (at least all that I've found so far) endings for articles and adjectives.
it's called Mixed inflection in Dative case: indefinite article + adj + en (all genders and plural form)
the article "eine" takes weak seclension?
Meine roten Hunde spielen
is correct, and
Meine rote Hunde spielen
Because it follows 'ein' (or einem for this matter) its Mixed inflection - of the dative neuter kind
"grünen" is the dative form. The preposition "mit" requires the dative. With the indefinite article "einem" the adjective requires the mixed inflection dative ending "en". See the mixed inflection table in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_adjectives#Mixed_inflection Note that with mixed inflection nominative and accusative singular endings are similar to the strong inflection endings; all other forms end with "-en".
Grün, grün, grün sind alle meine Kleider. Grün, grün, grün ist alles was ich hab'. Darhom lieb' ich, alles was so grün ist, weil mein Schatz ein Jäger ist. Such a cute little song. :)
the adjective ending is always -en for the masculine (den) form. But it remains -e for die or das. So we would get "...den blauen Wagen..." (...the blue car...), but "...die blaue Tür.." (the blue door), or "...das blaue Buch..." (the blue book). When the adjective is used with an ein-word (einen, dein, keine, etc.), the accusative adjective ending must reflect the gender and case of the noun that follows. The adjective endings -en, -e, and -es correspond to the articles den, die, and das respectively (masc., fem., and neuter). Once you notice the parallel and the agreement of the letters n, e, s with den, die, das, it makes the process a little clearer. Many German learners find the DATIVE (indirect object) case to be intimidating, but when it comes to adjective endings in the dative, it couldn't be more simple. The ending is ALWAYS -en! That's it! And this simple rule applies to adjectives used with either the definite or indefinte articles (and ein-words).
Grünnen is because:
1. Mixed inflection behind indefinite article einem.
2. Kleid is neuter noun.
3. Dative case behind mit.
It's definitely difficult to remember that dative, non-article, adjective endings can look like accusative noun endings and may differ from the preceding article endings. It's something to practice with extra vigor.
Does "Mit" always trigger the dative case?If not why is this sentence dative?
What the... last lesson and they still haven't taught me how to say "purple," or "brown." Is "orange," "Orangen?" Or is it different when it's the color?
I don't understand why it's "grünen." It's mixed inflection because of the indefinite article, and Kleid is neuter, so shouldn't it be "grünes"? People here have been mentioning Dative case, but what does that have to do with anything? Surely the mixed/weak/strong inflection charts don't have an entire second set for when it's Dative... That would be ludicrous. And besides, if that ludicrousness were the case, then Duo would've given us those charts, wouldn't they?
Wait, nevermind. I just realized that it's not a totally separate set of charts, but rather the same charts that we were already given... I had just completely neglected the Dative and Genitive sections on those charts, and only focused on the Nominative and Accusative parts, so I just completely missed that. lol. MY BAD! xD
I have a question (first time felt the need to ask a question even after going through the comment section). I read the adjective declension rules on nthuleen.com. According to the flow chart given on the website for declension, it says that:
Step 1: If there IS an article, go to step 2. Step 2: If the article is NOT in original form, we add -en to the attributive adjective.
Now my confusion is that, is the sentence below correct?
Mit einem grünen Mann
If it is indeed correct, then how can we tell the gender of Mann or Kleid from the articles or adjectives? I read on wikipedia that the whole point for the declension was to clear the gender of the noun.
Good, you've been paying attention :)
Unfortunately despite the best efforts of these declension patterns to tell us information about the case and gender, sometimes ambiguity remains. Often between masculine/neuter nouns in dative or genitive case, for example. That's just how it is!
Can someone explain this sentence structure for me? I don't understand why; 'einem' is being used here as opposed to; 'eine'?
So adjectives have to conform to this case BS also. Greenes dress. lol Why not just be simple and have colors be single and case free like in all other languages.
Ive never ever gotten this wrong before ,but today she is saying schleid and not kleid , even knowingbits kleid i still hear it schleid ,is it depended on the TTS service on the phone? Cause i just changed to a new one today ,maybe its that