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"Does the girl want fruit?"

Translation:An bhfuil torthaí ón gcailín?

May 4, 2015



"An dteastaíonn torthaí ón gcailín" was rejected. I thought this would be acceptable.


Why is "torthaí" used instead of "toradh"?


Multiple pieces of fruit, perhaps? Without context, both should be accepted.


Alright, thank you for the help!


The hints on this need to be more helpful.


Is "cailín" eclipsed here because it's a question?


No, it is eclipsed because it follows "ón" (preposition "ó" + definite article "an"). "Ó" on its own lenites. (It seems to me that most prepositions without the definite article lenite, and most with one eclipse, but that is a generalization and there are exceptions.)


Can I follow up on that one? As you say, if it was "a girl" instead of "the girl", we would have "ó chailín". On the other hand, "the girl" is "an cailín" (no change as "cailín" is a male noun if I understand it correctly). Now why does the combination "ó"+"an" result in eclipsis?


I couldn't tell you exactly why, but section 3 of the notes under Eclipsis and section 6 of Lenition give a great summary of the prepositions that trigger those respective mutations.

I noticed that den, don, and sa/san (off the, to the, in the) were the only definite forms that triggered lenition, while a significantly greater number of uncombined definite forms (ag an, ar an, etc.) triggered eclipsis, in addition to faoin and ón. (Regarding prepositions without the definite article, a handful were associated with lenition and none with eclipsis.)


Very helpful, thanks.


I thought that "tá an cailín ón torthaí" would work but it rejected it. Why did torthaí come before cailín?


That translates as: "[Pieces of] fruit want the girl."


Isn't torthaí technically the subject? "fruit is away from the girl"

Think of phrases with a pronoun, like "Tá torthaí uaim" - "uaim" is in the same position as "ón gcailín".

(It was the eclipsis that threw me off. And for once I had remembered to phrase it as a question, with "an bhfuil" instead of "tá"...)


The word order seems to change a lot. In one sentence, the word for the direct object (fruit) "torthai" goes at the end, but here it goes in the middle! Why?


This sentence literally translates as: "Is fruit needed from the girl?"

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