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CEFR

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It would be quite useful if Duolingo levels could be at least roughly equated to CEFR Maybe we should start a task force to do this. How would we go about this IT-wise?

3 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/pseudocreobotra

It's not possible with the way Duo works. Levels are assigned by the number of XP you gained. It is in NO WAY linked to your language competence. You could (theoretically) get to Lvl 25 just by repeating the very first lesson over and over.

Also... You can't get very far with Duo in general (B1 in reading maybe, in speaking you'd be lucky if you got to A1 with Duo alone IMO). It's a tool for learning the basics, a great one, but nothing more.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/louis.vang
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A1 for speaking and A2 for reading if you do much exercising after you reached the golden owl.

Only 60 procent of the European people reach level B1:

http://www.vvsg.be/sociaal_beleid/Lokaal_Sociaal_Beleid/Documents/Taalniveaus.pdf

https://www.accessibility.nl/kennisbank/tools/leesniveau-tool/leesniveaus

I am native Dutch and did following test for the Dutch language:

http://www.nederlandsetaaltest.nl/nederlands/test/nederlandse-spelling-nederlandse-grammatica-etc.html

There are seven tests with 15-20 sentences. It is very hard to reach B1 for each test. (Some sentences are dubious or different in Belgium / the Netherlands).

With the few words in Duoling (1200-2000) you cannot reach level B1.

http://www.languagecourse.net/en/german-vocabulary.php takes 2250 words for B1

Words for A2 -B1: 7000 for A2 , 23000 for B1:

http://www.nrc.nl/next/van/2010/september/30/tweeduizend-woorden-is-minimaal-11949165

Bureau Taal gebruikt de lijst met 7.000 woorden alleen voor het maken van teksten op taalniveau A2, zegt Visser. Dat is zeer eenvoudig Nederlands, voor bijvoorbeeld inburgeraars. Onder A2 zit het beginners-A1. Boven A2 zitten nog B1, B2, C1 en C2.

Het bureau is gespecialiseerd in B1, één niveau hoger. „B1 kan vrijwel iedereen begrijpen.” De lijst die Bureau Taal voor B1 gebruikt, telt 23.000 woorden, inclusief vervoegingen. „Op B1 kun je een vergunning voor een dakkapel en een alvleesklieroperatie uitleggen.” Op A2-niveau gaat dat ook nog net, zegt hij. „Maar op A1 niet meer. Daar is de maatschappij te ingewikkeld voor.”

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pseudocreobotra

B1 one is a very generous estimation, that's true but I think that it's possible. The number of words that one would have to know varies A LOT, I've seen pretty much every number between 1500 and 5000 for B1 - any if also use immersion, you might pick up a lot more than the 1500-2500 words that Duo teaches. Also, there should be many ones that you can understand when reading even without explicitly learning them.... B1 is an optimistic guess for the upper threshold and assumes a motivated learner who has a good general education and maybe some language experience. A2 might be more fitting for some other learners... That's the thing. It's simply impossible to generally tie learning on Duo to a certain CEFR level.

Also... I can't really understand your Dutch sources. I might get the gist because of the relationship to German and English but it's quite exhausting for me to read and a lot of the details would be lost anyway.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/louis.vang
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The Dutch source says they use 7.000 words for texts on level A2 and 23.000 words for texts on level B1. They count all the different forms of a verbs as another word.

It says : on level B1 you can describe an operation on the human body or ask an license for the construction of a building.

It is possible to write a B1 text with only A2 words, when using more complex structures in the sentences.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vcel10
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For Spanish Duo will definitely take you to A2 for comprehension, maybe B1. I would suggest that you complete the reverse tree when you're finished. Like @pseudocreobotra said, if you want to achieve B2 listening comprehension or C1 then it behooves you to seek other learning resources.

Note, I really don't think Duolingo is a great resource for speaking.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Isrianth
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Agreed, Duolingo isn't great for speaking, in fact any tool is far from being perfect. The best way to improve one's language is to seek more resources.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kdammers
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Vocabulary has been shown to have a strong positive correlation with CEFR , which is supposed to be a test of language ability. The correlation between vocabulary size and language ability as measured by examination grades was reported as being 0.83 [Stæhr, L. S. (2008). Vocabulary size and the skills of listening, reading and writing. Language Learning Journal, 36, 139–152. (cited in the link given below)].

Here are test results of receptive vocabulary at various levels for EFL based on 500 European individuals. (Results for French and Greek were not too different. The values here are consistent with the German values given by Vang, below.) The test was of recpetive (reading) knowledge of isolated words, with controls, using XLex. I don't know what the word "words" means in this source (http://eurosla.org/monographs/EM01/211-232Milton.pdf), perhaps lemmata.

C2 - 4.5~5 K C1 - 3.75~4.5 B2 - 3.25~3.75 B1 - 2..75~3.25 A2 - 1.5~2 A1 - <1.5

The Dutch numbers are extremely divergent form these, with B1 values in the range of adult native speakers.

<pre>The source (Milton, see p. 215) give above also gives general descriptions of vocabulary for the various levels of CEFR. Here are the criteria for A2 and B2: </pre>

"B1 Has a sufficient vocabulary to express him/herself with some circumlocutions on most topics pertinent to his/her everyday life such as family, hobbies and interests, work, travel and current events. A2 Has sufficient vocabulary to conduct routine, everyday transactions involving familiar situations and topics."

Of course, reading vocabulary is only one of the key elements in language learning, but Duolingo does include training of sorts in other areas.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AghyadK
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Thanks for the info and the link :)

2 years ago