"I see both the women."
Translation:Kadınların ikisini de görüyorum.
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Kadın+lar (plural)+ın (genitive) İki (two) + (possessive suffix) + n (buffer cons.) + i (accusative) the de is verrrryyyy mysterious. It tells you that they are separate and it is very common to see the de being used with the concept of both.
I hope that helped! :)
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Adding to this^
Kadınların ikisini görüyorum. = I see two of the women (There are more than 2 women, but I only see 2 of them.)
Kadınların ikisini de görüyorum. = I see both of the women. (There is a total of 2 women and I see them both.)
This goes for all the numbers.
Arabaların üçünü görüyorum. = I see three of the cars (there are more than 3.)
Arabaların üçünü de görüyorum. = I see all three cars. (There is a total of 3 cars. And I see them all.)
ikisi = iki + si (possesive suffix). On the other hand, ikisini = iki + si (possesive suffix) + n (buffer letter) + i (accusative). Note that, usually to add the accusative suffix to a word ending in a vowel, you would use "y" as a buffer and not "n", such as in arabayı görüyorum. The "y" changes to "n" ONLY when the last letter of the word is a vowel due to adding a possesive suffix, such as in ikisi. Another example, I see his car would be written as follows, onun arabasını görüyorum and NOT arabasıyı. Hope this helps.
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Yes. Because that is technically a definite noun compound and in a definite noun compound the word which has the suffix '-in' always comes before.
Why do we need kadınların instead of kadının? Doesn't ikisi implicitly denote that it is more than one woman?
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My screen shows Ben iki kadını da görüyorum as correct. Can someone explain that construction? I thought it was ikisinda but got marked wrong....
Well, ikisinda is wrong. It should be "ikisini de" :)
What was shown to you is just another way to word that (albeit less common).
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can someone explain the appearance of the "in" at the end of kadinlarin and the "ni" at the end of ikisini in a simple example form? why both times? why is it ikisi de in similar questions. I think of it as both "of" but it appears twice - is it literally saying "of the women I am seeing both of them?" Slightly confused :)
In Turkish both the possessed entity and the possessor are denoted, whereas in English it is only the possessor: the woman‘s bag, in Turkish it resmbles a construction like: the woman ‘s her bag.. the woman 's bag her That's why it goes kadinlarin ikisi Now accusative i gets glued to the word by using copula n: ni -> ikisini
