Topic: Ukrainian

"Are you in a cafe?"

Translation:Ви у кафе?

May 21, 2015

18 Comments

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ektoraskan

    Hello!

    This came up as a multiple-choice question. I chose Ви у кафе? but apparently there was an alternative answer: "ви в цвому кафе?" - But I didn't know what it meant, so it marked it wrong. :/

    Please, what does в цвому mean?

    May 21, 2015
    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SergioRuido

      .. in this cafe. (should be в цьому кафе)

      May 21, 2015
      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iyugov
      Plus

        The question uses indefinite article. It is about any cafe, not that or this, right? In other courses, using indef. art. instead of def. art (and vice versa) is considered a mistake.

        May 21, 2015
        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SergioRuido

          Well, we don't have a context on DL. Translating ENG-UKR. is pretty clear. But when you go UKR-ENG could be both, depending on the context.

          May 21, 2015
          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ektoraskan

            Oh thank you! (Sorry for the typo! I tried to type it from memory! :-])

            Is it a form of це?

            May 21, 2015
            https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vfurmanov
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              Yes, цьому is the masculine/neuter, locative form of the pronoun це.

              Here is a table.

              I think I've seen you in the Turkish course so I'm guessing you know what locative means :)

              May 21, 2015
              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ektoraskan

                Cool! Thank you so much for that table!

                (Yes, I'm one of the contributors of the Turkish course^^)

                So: в + locative is "in/at/on". There is also (цім) in parentheses. Does that mean I can also say: Ми в цім кафе (we are at this café) ?

                May 21, 2015
                https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vfurmanov
                Plus

                  цьому sounds more natural to me so I'd use that, but Ukrainian also isn't my native language so I don't want to lead you astray!

                  May 21, 2015
                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ektoraskan

                    Got it! Much obliged! Thank you so much!

                    May 21, 2015
                    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RainbowVomit911
                    • 96

                    Yes, you can.

                    May 22, 2015
                    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SergioRuido

                      Yes. Locative case of ЦЕ.

                      May 21, 2015
                      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Alex10730

                        Але у реченні використовується 'a' ("Are you in a cafe?'). Якщо я правильно розумію 'a' значить що мається на увазі будь-яке кафе і це на мою думку не дуже в'яжеться з '... в цьому кафе?'. Чи я щось неправільно розумію?

                        April 9, 2016
                        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jwcook56

                          Так, "а" має на увазі будь-яке, а "в цьому", це більш конкретно "in this". "ви у кафе" може означати "Are you in the cafe" або "Are you in a cafe". "The" це типа коли ви обидва знаєте про це кафе і це білшь конкретно. а "This" я б сказав що це навіть білше конкретно ніж "The". Коли ви вказуєте це кафе комусь чи щось таке.

                          July 4, 2018
                          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GeneM.

                            I added Є at the beginning of the sentence but it didn't take. Isn't this technically correct?

                            July 6, 2015
                            https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RainbowVomit911
                            • 96

                            I highly doubt if it is even technically correct. Word order is rarely changed in Ukrainian, and it is not the case where the reverse is applicable.

                            July 6, 2015
                            https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rusag

                              Є means "to be" - it's an auxiliary verb in English, but Ukranian it is used way less frequently. In this sentence, you can't add it.

                              July 13, 2015
                              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/robertSK3
                              • 1300

                              Is there a big different between "Ті" and "Ти"?

                              August 28, 2016
                              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/skstudio
                              Mod

                                "Ті" is "those" and "ти" is "you" (singular). "і" and "и" also denote different sounds.

                                August 28, 2016
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