Double Graduation: Ukrainian and Norwegian (Bokmål) are now in beta!
Good news for those of you who speak English — you can now start learning Norwegian (Bokmål) AND Ukrainian here on Duolingo. They graduated to beta at the exact same time and of course that makes this exactly double exciting. And them... twins?
If you started going through the trees now, that would make you a beta tester. This means you now have the opportunity to help the expert megastar contributors test the course and find potential errors, missing translations and bugs. When several people report the same mistake, the issue bubbles up to the surface and this is how they know what to fix first.
I met people from both teams in Berlin and must say, these courses seem amazing.
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Contributors and course creators: Thank you for what you do!
ADORABLE!!!! What kind of dog is that? Is it a Pomeranian? Those are my favourites of all time. What does it have to do with the "struggling to finish up before beta" though?
These are 2 courses that I've especially looked forward to, so I'm especially excited about this. I'm learning Norwegian for a couple of motivational reasons (interest in their culture and for potential travel); and I'm going to learn Ukrainian after Norwegian because I'm interested in the Donetsk conflict and many of my ancestors came from Ukraine. Really excited to learn both- thanks so much to Iorua, alek_d, luke51991, Deliciae, SergioRuido, vovakondrat77, IrynaKrups, Darktroyd, meronam, Kebus14, and the Duolingo team for making this a reality. :)
Starting Norwegian after 242 days of Danish and Swedish since it started has been so fun. The relationship is even closer than I expected and the course seems really well presented. I got through the first 9 modules today and I am impressed. I did a bit of Ukrainian too, but I think I will leave that one on a slow simmer and just do a small bit at a time, since I am mostly focussing on the German languages right now.
Yes, you will probably be surprised how close the three languages are.
Swedish is my native language and I understand most Norwegian and Danish with little effort (especially written, sometimes the Danish/Norwegian dialects can be hard to understand)!
Icelandic is a lot more different though, it is like Norwegian rewound 1000 years back in time (with other words, you can't really understand it unless you make an effort to learn Icelandic specifically)!
I've heard that often when Swedes and Danes talk to each other, they have such a hard time that they end up speaking English. I don't know if this is always true, but it certainly makes alot of sense, in a comical way. I've also heard that Swedes find Danish and Norwegian dialects to even be comedy in themselves, particularly Danish ones. I agree, and I barely speak Norsk-Dansk-Svenka. ;)
Yes nowadays that is very much the case, because (almost) everyone talks English in the Nordic countries. English is used as a common "middle ground" so to say...
But I believe that we understand more than we want to admit and that we use English because we lack the confidence or motivation to have a conversation in Swedish-Danish, Swedish-Norwegian or Danish-Norwegian.
That being said, some dialects are still very hard to understand (I especially think of some Jutlandic dialects of Danish or some Norwegian dialects spoken in western Norway.)
My mum was Norwegian and my dad Danish. They met in a vegetarian restaurant in Copenhagen, and I spent my first eight years living in Denmark and visiting my Norwegian grandparents and cousins in the summer. Till I was five I was unaware that my mum and dad were speaking different languages; I readily adapted to the words each was saying and to their separate modes of pronunciation. Unfortunately, when our family moved to Canada, they decided to only speak English thereafter, so I have only a dim recall of the amount of Dano-Norwegian that an eight-year-old might know. I have a long way to go, but it's fun to try to reawaken and build upon my childhood language knowledge.
That's sad to hear, but a nice story. Thanks for sharing. :) Glad to hear you are going back to your roots, though. How come they only spoke English?
I like Swedish alot but they speak way to much English, Norwegian is the middle point it seems and I truly Norsk
Danish reminds me of High german so Norsk it is
Excellent Ukrainian course so far. Love all the efforts by both teams to crank out these courses at a record speed. I have struggled with Ukrainian for a few years now and I was really excited to see Ukrainian released today. I can't say how many times a day I was checking on the status. Дуже дякую вам!
My dream really did come true! Last night I was dreaming there will be a course-release today, but it came out to be
two courses released! Well, my dream was only 50% true. :D Thank you Ukrainian and Norwegian teams!!!
Thank you so much for all your efforts Team Ukrainian and Team Norwegian Bokmal!!! Cannot wait to get started in both of these courses, and I'm sure I am not the only one!! :D
Norwegian so far looks amazing! It's much more comprehensive than I thought it would be. The team did a great job! Haven't looked into Ukrainian myself, but it seems promising as well. Now all we need is Esperanto...
Have not started Norwegian yet (I'm afraid it might confuse me with learning Danish), but I am loving the Ukrainian course thus far! Thanks to everyone who contributed!
I'm most definitely looking forward to learning these languages in the future! (Just afraid of too many languages confusing me immensely, so sticking to mastering one before the other.) Keep up the wonderful work!
I totally agree. It is really cool that Duo is releasing these. But I find myself getting distracted and learning little bits of a few languages rather than just one. It is too much of a good thing.I want to be able to get good at a language! I'm gonna look at Norwegian but I have to make sure I focus on French!
Sadly, I won't be learning these courses at this time, but I've been looking forward to them all the same. A few days ago I had a dream that the Norwegian course came out, and I'm glad it finally has.
It's great that two new languages have joined the Duolingo family but I was waiting on Esperanto...
for the input: there's a link to windows8 (which I don't run), a more flexible link would probably be better. I'm using Chrome with the awesome Google Input Tools for example, this might be a more flexible solution. it even has transliterative input :D
one advantage is that most people that just want to dabble in Ukrainian don't need a system-wide Ukrainian typing method. To switch it off/on within duolingo, press Ctrl-Shift.
oh is that the shortcut? I think that's what I installed, but I got off the page to look at the shortcuts that day.
Ridiculously large congratulations to you both, I will definitely be getting into Ukrainian very soon, and I've already gotten into Norwegian. Well done!
That's not Czech, it's Filipino!
See the difference?
Or were you joking? I can't tell from text.
I saw the difference, but I didn't know that Fillipines have almost the same banner.
Fantastic news! I've wanted to learn Norwegian for years, so now I think I will once I've completed my German tree.
Muchas gracias Mille grazie Thanks a lot Merci beaucoup Tack så mycket Tusen takk contributors!!!! I do really appreciate your work!
Sorry is this a newbie question, but what's the usual timeline for the courses appearing within the mobile apps (iOS specifically)?
I'm running through the browser at the moment so no rush - I love the tree layout for Norwegian so far and also love the handy addition of those three extra letters underneath text boxes - not an issue on OS X but if I'm sneaking a module at work, this is very helpful!
We usually wait a while until the course is more stable before releasing it to mobile. It could take around a month or so, but it really depends on the course. Keep an eye on those app updates! =]
The moment I've been waiting for.. unbelievable.. Thank you Team Norwegian!!
Thank you alek, luke51991, lorua, & Deliciae! You have put a lot of great effort into the Norwegian for English course! I really enjoy these new courses.
I also wish good luck to the next course, Esperanto.
I've been teaching myself Norwegian for the past year and did a mini-course at university - now I can continue learning just in time for my visit to Oslo! Tusen hjertelig takk; lenge har jeg ventet på kurset - det er kjempfint. :)
Чудова новина. Дякую! До речі якщо хтось хоче- можу допомогти з Українською. Good news. Thanks! By the way I'm native Ukrainian and can help with it.
I've been waiting for this for so long! I'm so happy! As stupid as it may appear to be, I was at class when I saw the Norwegian course was released and shouted a big YES as excitement :D Level 7 already! Thank you for the Norwegian team for making this possible :) great job!
OMG I'M SO EXCITED TO LEARN NORWEGIAN! I'm going to Norway to visit a friend this summer and I leave in less than 2 months and I really want to know some Norwegian before I get there! I have been waiting for what feels like forever for this course to be released and I couldn't be more excited. Thank you so much to those of you who worked on this course!!!
Very excited to start Norwegian! Might give Ukrainian a go this weekend as well.
I feel like and idiot for askingthis, but... How do i get my keyboard to work with these characters? (for ukranian)
In the course, as soon as it gets to a part where you need to type in Cyrillic, there's a link that will tell you how to change it on your operating system. You just get a digital keyboard. It helps to keep a picture of a cyrillic keyboard up next to Duolingo since your keys don't have pictures on them.
Endelig norsk språk! Props to the norwegian team!!! Now the challenge to find a norwegian language partner begins...
Very excited about this! I have been hoping for this ever since I signed up with Duolingo.
I just found out about Duolingo this afternoon. I'm happy to see even more languages being added.
Fantastic! I have a friend from Ukraine. Maybe she will be impressed if I learn her language!
Ahh!!! I'm so happy! I congratulate both teams for their hard work. However, I am extremely excited for Norwegian because I am studying abroad next year in the beautiful country of Norway. Tusen Takk!
CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE! I'm really happy for everyone who was on these two teams, and i'm excited to get around to these two languages eventually!
Wow. Amazing. Seriously. Two amazing languages being released at the same time. =) Great work to both teams, and especially: thank you. :) I can't wait to get started on both of them, and hope to put them to good use one day.
Just one question for the Norwegian team: so in Norway there are so many dialects that almost no one speaks Bokmål, but instead only use it to write Norwegian. What dialect does the Duolingo course teach? Just curious.
Congratulations to both teams and to those planning to learn (or already learning) either (or both) language(s).
What I liked most about the Ukrainian course is that at least in the begining you don´t have to switch alphabets. It accepts Latin letters, too. : )
After 290 points in Norwegian in 24 hours, I can say I'm enjoying it (and enjoying having some free time). I'm happy it's finally accessible. I've been wanting to learn Norwegian for a while.
Tusen takk! Jeg er veldig glad med norsk kurs...or something like that. I am very happy with the Norwegian course. Have been looking forward to it for a long time. Do you know when it will be available in the Android app?
Need some Lithuanian on this website! It's the oldest Indo-European language and very beautiful.
I started norwegian yesterday, but did not know it was the first day it was available. ^^
But thank you! I will be doing a roadtrip in Norway this summer and couldn't speak a word before last week!
... and Ukrainian is the first language course (for english speakers) on duolingo to not use the latin alphabet
Still need to learn to read Ukrainian with exams I haven't been able to concentrate on much apart from well...exams. haha I've started both but I keep relating the letters that we have in the latin alphabet to the cyrilic ones like H is n but I think it's H still -_-
Cela devrait être amusant, if we all learned Swedish we'd be able to go and actually understand when Felix Kjellburg goes off at some game in an angry manner in his native language
Any idea to how soon the Romanian Language Course will be out? I'm going there for a small holiday! :D
I need to finish Turkish and Swedish first--and I am in absolutely no rush--but I'm going to tackle both of these afterwards! I'm really going to be fascinated being able to compare Danish, Swedish and Norwegian with each other, while learning a language that doesn't use a Latin alphabet has been a goal of mine for a long time now. I'm really happy that Duolingo has all these languages available with many more to come!
For Ukrainian they should add a virtual keyboard interface in they interface and for they duolingo mobile app they should offer Beta languages since I use the app a lot so it would be helpful if they could do that.
I hope you look at my suggestions and keep making this program better Tot ziens aufwiedersehen good bye
I would like to point out that it would be marvelous for some of us who would like to be interested in taking a once- in- a- lifetime course, Thug/Ghetto. I know what you are thinking, but it would be spectacular to educate others. Some phrases include,"Whats peepin my squad." or, "We gon get lit tonight!". I think it would be great to educate people on the language known as thug.
On behalf of the Duolingo community, I would like to extend a huuuge THANK YOU to the course creators/contributors! Before yesterday, I didn't know any Ukranian at all, and learning the alphabet seemed like it was going to be a daunting task. I'd already tried teaching myself the Cryllic alphabet using flash cards, and that did not go well at all. But these Ukrainian letter lessons are so informative and fun! I can't wait to progress through this tree! Once again, thank you all for your hard work!!
Just throwing it out there that I'd love to be able to type ae, oe, and aa in place of æ, ø, and å. It's an inconvenience having to use the mouse just for those, and I'd rather not have to hop onto my other half's laptop which has them. ;)
That aside, I'm stoked! Looking forward to working my way through a course I have a real need for!
I just created my own keyboard format so I can type the special characters using Ctrl+Alt+letter to give it the hat such as ĉ ĝ ĵ. I'd post it up here but unfortunately it's a Dvorak layout so probably not a lot of people could use it. But somebody on the esperanto team could create one using Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator and then maybe pin it as a download to the course. It's quite easy to make.
If you would not mind -- I would be interested in the Dvorak layout that you have created. Feel free to post on my profile ^.^
Sorry, are you saying that the x-system will work?
Because you said that it was not going to work
Anyway we'll deal with it and enjoy the course :)
The same here goes that we also want the x-system for Esperanto. I talked with a Duolingo developer at the Incubator Summit in Berlin and he said they hope to someday make such a system for typing special characters, but probably not soon. :-/
It doesn’t seem that difficult to implement, though… :-( (at least for Esperanto, where there is no ambiguity)
A system that replaced ux with ŭ instantly would be great,
but if it just accepted "sxlosilo" instead of "ŝlosilo", that would be also great (and easier to implement, maybe)
What I don't get is that the system DOES work for German. Any umlauted character can be replaced with just the same vowel with an -e after it. Why doesn't it work for others then?
People can use AutoHotkey hotstrings until then, I suppose (like :*?:cx::ĉ), though native support would be much better, of course.
You can type 'ss' in the German course where 'ß' is required, I believe that so long as you have no other spelling mistakes, it will just say "Pay attention to the 'ß' character". I don't know how many spelling mistakes you can make before Duolingo marks the whole text as wrong.
You can write ä, ö, and ü as a, o, and u; it will say "Pay attention to the umlauts", except when the word means something else (as in schön and schon, or Bruder and Brüder)
Yeah, especially considering that they are developments of the ae, oe, ue ligatures ( aͤ, oͤ , uͤ, respectively).
One reason why this may be for the German course is that in many parts of German speaking countries, 'ss' is used instead of the other character.
I know how to get one, but I use and am well adjusted to the British keyboard layout. Those letter combinations should be usable, really.
I’m sure there is a way to modify your keyboard layout in order to add just those few letters. Some people have mentionned something called "Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator" (presumably for Windows).
I feel for ya mate! :) I've never understood why it doesn't contain the "æ" and "œ" ligatures, considering the fact that they are still technically used in British English spellings, especially scientific/ technical terms (less so much with "œ"). If you have a a full PC keyboard with a numpad, enable numlock and use altcodes. Here are the ones for åÅäÄöÖØøÆæŒœ: http://sydaby.eget.net/emig/emig/scands.htm
Alternatively try exploring the capabilities of your current keyboard. Press the AltGr key in combination with another key to find out how your keyboard is mapped. For me AltGr+z = æ, AltGr+l = ø, AltGr+w = å, AltGr+s = ß, AltGr+a = á, AltGr+e = é, AltGr+i = í, AltGr+o = ó, AltGr+u = ú and so on. To turn these into capitals, just add the Shift button as well.
I ended up making a custom keyboard using the Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator.
It depends on your operating system, I think that on Windows the AltGr key is basically useless as there are very few such combos (but I haven’t used Windows in a while, so maybe it has changed)
I use Windows 7 and have the keyboard set to United-States International, then all these combos and more are available.
You have to turn on International Keyboard in the Control Panel. For me, 'a = á, 'e = é, 'c = ç, ^e = ê, etc. Way more convenient than using the mouse or than using alt codes. It makes typing French a breeze. However, the key combinations get increasingly convoluted the further you get from the standard English alphabet, so I can see why Norwegian learners might feel dissatisfied with that.
It is very easy to install new keyboard layouts, at least with Windows. And switching between them is at least as easy: just press Alt + Shift, and it changes the current layout to the next one. I currently have four different layouts (modified Cyrillic, Finnish, Norwegian (which works both for Danish and Norwegian), and International English), and I find it extremely effortless to use these various keyboards. Try it, you might be pleasantly surprised!
None of the Windows keyboards are adequate for me/this keyboard while getting the additional characters, so I ended up making a custom keyboard using the Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator.
That's so cool. I have used a Cyrillic layout that somebody has made, but I see that with Keyboard Layout Creator it should be quite easy to make one myself, if I so wish. Thanks for the tip.
It may cost money but you could always buy a keyboard with those layouts just a suggestion I myself use three keyboards for three languages
At first I was going to suggest turning on International Keyboard settings (that's how i type 'a --> á, 'e --> é, 'c --> ç , ^e --> ê etc with an American keyboard while writing French).
But then i looked it up and the code for ø alone is ridiculously unwieldy (Shift+RightAlt+L RightAlt+L). I'm so sorry!
Since many years, and because I'm a French guy living abroad, I use an app called allchars.exe , available for free at http://sourceforge.net/projects/allchars/, which allows you to "compose" special letters, using a standard qwerty keyboard. It is running in the background, and allow you to make special characters on-the-fly, with only one dedicated button, (the "Ctrl" key in the example below).
For example, to make the french "é", you just have to hit and release the Ctrl key, and then press the "e" letter, release it and press the " ' " symbol. The same goes for à, è, ê, ï, ö.
It is quite user-friendly, since you don't need to remind special codes, just to press the letter you want with any accent you need.
It also function for the ß (Ctrl, then 2 times "s") and many others symbols, like æ, œ, ° ö, å, î, ø, ( Ctrl, then o + / ) №, etc.
For most of the characters, you just have to follow your instinct, and "mix and add" two characters together, and when it fails, you can look up the right combination in the help of the program. (Right click on the icon of the program, next to the clock, then choose : Show compose sequences)