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Why some words that end with S are not pronounced with T?

For example...

Confused... Recognized...

How can I know when to pronounce those words with T or D?

3 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Dcarl1
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Can you give an example of one you think is pronounced with a T? From my POV as a native speaker (USA - grew up on east coast, now in CA), any word ending in "ed" is pronounced with a D.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/W-Cephei

Well I read this...

https://www.englishclub.com/pronunciation/-ed.htm

For example, kissed is pronounced Kisst... And in the Google Traductor there are past words that are pronounced with T, D or ED.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Berniebud
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Usually it's pronounced "-t" when the sound before it is voiceless (S, K, F, etc), and pronounced "-d" when it's voiced (Z, G, V, or if the E is pronounced).

Edit:

Actually, that link says the same thing I'm saying.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/W-Cephei

The problem is that S and Z sound the same... For example confused supposedly ends with a Z sound so you have to pronounce "D" but I really can't differentiate the S and Z sound.

Can Native English speakers differentiate them?

3 years ago

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Absolutely. This is just a short list of minimal pairs:
singer and zinger (unexpected ending to a joke),

zone and sown (past tense of sow, to throw out seeds), bus, buzz hiss, his, since, sins, peace, peas, sip, zip, rice, rise. .

The problem is, that we don't consistently spell the Z sound with a z, or the s sound with an s. One thing I've never seen, though, is spelling the s sound with a z. In order to start hearing the difference, practice saying S, then voicing it.

In general, words spelled with a single s at the end of a word have the s pronounced as Z, and words ending in se have the s pronounced as Z. IF we differentiate, we use a ce to show an S pronunciation at the end of the word. Of course, as with all English spelling, there are exceptions., there is one pair listed above, bus (said with s) and buzz (spelled with a z)

And yes, English sound structure requires a voiced sound after a voiced consonant or a vowel, and an unvoiced sound after an unvoiced consonant or vowel, and a full syllable using a shwa after a similar sound . This carries over to plurals, possessives, and third person singular.

look - /lookt/ confuse - /konfuzd/ want /wanted/ dog - /dogz/ dart - /darts/ house /housez/ wath /watchez/

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Berniebud
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Yes, we can differentiate them.

It's understandable that it's hard to hear the difference, since they're formed the same way.

The only difference is that "Z" is voiced, and "S" is not.

I'm not sure how to explain voiced consonants.

Basically, when you pronounce a voiced consonant like "Z", your throat should be vibrating, like you're sounding out a vowel while pronouncing "Z".

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/W-Cephei

In Spanish or at least in Argentinian accent, we have the habit to pronunce the Z as S.

Zapatilla = Sapatilla

Zorro = Sorro

Zapato = Sapato

Zona = Sona

Is it acceptable in English this? Maybe in some countries / states? I see many videos in English and I don't remember hearing the "Z" sound.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/somelauw
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The BBC (British English) says the following: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/radio/specials/1413_gramchallenge26/

To clarify some of the grammatical terms it uses:

Voiced sounds are sounds like d, v, g, z, b and basically any other sound that is not unvoiced. Unvoiced sounds are sounds like t, f, k, s, p.

3 years ago

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About your examples.

Recognize (recognise in British) ends with a 'z' which is voiced, so it's followed by a d.

Confuse is a strange word. One would think 's' is unvoiced, but looking at the dictionary http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/confuse it's pronounced as kuh n-fyooZ. Hence the d sound.

Disclaimer: I'm not a native speaker

3 years ago

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Confuse is indeed pronounced kuhn-fuze, not kuhn-foose. The s is voiced and sounds like a z.

3 years ago