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"Restoran kirli ama yemeğin kendisi kötü değil."

Translation:The restaurant is dirty, but the food itself is not bad.

May 27, 2015



please can someone explain why 'yemeğin' has this form?


it is in the genitive case and forms a compound with "kendi" :)


Why is the genitive necessary? There's nothing in the notes about it.


It's true. In the Time lesson (in which the noun compounds are introduced) the compounds do not use genitive: tavuk suyu, balık çorbası...


"kendi" is a bit different from the others :)


In the tips & notes it says that the conjugation for 3PS is kendi/kendisi so it is only kendisi when there is a possessive case right?


So it's a bit like "myself", "my own self", "to thine own self be true"? Forms like "himself", "itself" break the pattern in English, but the genitive seems more logical to me. I don't know if saying "the food's own self" would work though. Unless your food is self-conscious.


inlond, here is a very hepfull link about compound nouns in Turkish: https://www.turkishexplained.com/nouns.htm. They explain the three kinds of compound nouns. Whose the definite compound nouns: Ex: " evin anahtarı"="the house's key", a specific key of a specific house. Here in "yemeğin kendisi"="the food itself", it is a specific food of a specific owner (itself). It is rather hard to explain.... What do you think?


Could this also be a correct answer, I didn't try it yet: The restaurant is dirty but the food is not bad per se?


As you know, Duolingo prefers noncreative answers (those that don't exactly follow the wording of the lesson). The developers can't possibly think of every iteration of meaning. But in reality, your sentence is correct, because "per se" actually means "in itself." And this is what "yemeğin kendisi" means: "the food itself" = "the food per se."


Don't you mean those that do follow the wording of the lesson?


I would say it has a slightly different meaning - putting per se there puts emphasis on the "bad", so you're saying the food wasn't quite bad, but it was something almost bad. Whereas this sentence is saying that the food is fine; the cleanliness problem does not affect the food.


Why is it not "The restaurant is dirty, but YOUR food is not bad" isn't yemeğin using the sen form of the genitive?


Yes, "yemeğin" can mean "your food" ...but in this case, it's a 2nd person (sen form) possessive suffix, not genitive case ending :-)

In this sentence, "yemeğin kendisi" is saying "the food's self = the food itself". So yemeğin (in this context) is using genitive case to mean "the food's /of the food". And the possessive suffix (3rd person singular) is on "kendisi". :-)

I'll link you back to the Possessives /Genitives Tips and Notes if you (or anyone else) want to review :-)


...ama yemeğim için karafatmalar ile hiç dövüşmek istemiyorum! (Hope that isn't gibberish!)


why yemegin and not yemek?

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