"Linehavaspatron,sedlihavasdupatrinojn."

Translation:He does not have a father, but he has two mothers.

3 years ago

193 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/UneJamKuqEZi
<h1>Best. Sentence. Ever.</h1>
3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/U2F

LOL

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mariolis101

you know how the html language works? I AM NOT ALONE IN THIS WORLD!!!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Parcheezy16

Well yea... How do you think websites are made?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/U2F

HTML is so easy

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thalie-O
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I agree. If I could learn it (and css), that means it's very very very easy. I suck in informatics.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DiegoJaviUnlam
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Bravo Esperanto Team!!! =D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rebecca_R1
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I love that Esperanto is a language of hope and peace, and the course creators reflect that with sentences like this. ^-^

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bethany281730

I feel the exact same.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/m.tastic
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Yes, I needed this sentence in my life.

☆★☆★☆★☆★☆ PREACH ☆★☆★☆★☆★☆

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Queenmoist

You go duo! Preach it

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Falsafaa
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Agreed.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Supernova888

Glad to see diversity here! This was a really pleasant surprise to translate this sentence.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/13523466

How about diversity of opinion? I don't see much of that around here.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/camcamcam753

r/negativewithlingots

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/astropauws
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I'm delighted!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/miacomet
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Mi ne havas patron, sed mi havas du patrinojn. Kaj la esteco de tiu-ĉi frazo min feliĉegigas. Multan dankon, Esperanta Teamo!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mariolis101

thnx for learning greek, it is my native language

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marialearn

I personally do not agree with acting on homosexuality, but that's because of religious reasons. I do, however, believe that gay marriage should be legal everywhere because not everybody shares my religious beliefs and I don't want to force mine upon them, you know? Rights for everyone, even if they disagree with me. :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chessmaster456

While I am not upvoting this comment as anti-homosexuality is not what I believe, I do want to applaud you for being so respectful towards other people and their beliefs. Just by this comment I can tell your emotions are stable and healthy (unlike most people on the internet). Kudos to you, and have a nice day.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/theredcebuano

more people need to be like you. Forcing religious beliefs on others is not something my God would do!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tiger8255
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I wish more people were like you!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hikuma.K
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I really appreciate this sentence.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/__henry__
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Esperantistoj estas bonaj homoj

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TomMarshal1

Is it OK to actually discuss the sentence here? :)

Why wouldn't "he does not have a father but he does have two mothers" be correct? I'm guessing it just needs to be added but it wouldn't surprise me if I'm wrong.

And how dare the creators of this course create a neutral statement that actually covers many peoples situations! /s

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TomMarshal1

Got an email on this:

Hi TomMarshal1,

You suggested “he does not have a father but he does have two mothers” as a translation for “Li ne havas patron, sed li havas du patrinojn.” We now accept this translation. :)

Thanks for the contribution, please keep it up!

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3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pataglu
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Esperanto seems to be a language for open-minded people. I love that !

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/junelac
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brace yourselves, complaints are coming

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kal-in
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It's good to see they aren't!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kaybekwa

well they are, just heavily downvoted.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ja025
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I came here to see negative comments. I was surprised not to find any though. At least the function of this learning platform is still just to learn languages. Feeling happy about it. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gabe8428

This put a smile on my face solving it thank you duolingo

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jdfromdublin
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Without a doubt, this is my favourite sentence :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Whoaholycow

Esperanto. Normalizing non-traditional family structures on duolingo since 2015.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/claire.lesueur

this sentence gives me life

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lojbanlorxu
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Wow. Really was not expecting such a progressive sentence. Definitely finishing this course.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/adamyoung97
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Amo - kaj familio - konas neniun genron! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AndressaAndrd

This is what Esperanto is all about. The language of peace and hope! Love this! :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/codythibault91

I so picked the right language to learn! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Javi-Er

Yey

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Skwidilydee
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great to know that my favorite application is gay friendly yay :D

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ChristianofPeace

I'm pleasantly surprised that this doesn't have negative comments. I love this community!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marcybats
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I came on here to see how many negative comments to find a whole bunch of possitive ones. Best community ever

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dbarszczak

same!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/seraph-nm

Interesting that this is a sentence. But I like and appreciate it, as well as the polite comments. (Even the one negative comment is polite! I appreciate that.)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/srtokes
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I received this statement as a listening thing, and found a rather odd occurance (which I believe is called the MrGurk effect but am probably completely wrong).

When the audio says "Li ne havas patron", I could make it sound like "mi" and "li" interchangeably, just by changing what I expected to hear. Just something people might want to consider when adding audio: the sentence could sound like multiple things. :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WovenTales

That's one of the places where Esperanto shows that linguistic regularity is not always desirable -- just about every natural language is going to have pretty dissimilar pronouns (or some other way of differentiating them, like verb conjugation) because context is typically not going to be as helpful in figuring out what pronoun someone said. Even in English, the first sounds of "he", "she", "we", and "me" are all pretty distinguishable. "Li", "ni", and "mi", especially, are all remarkably close to each other. Makes for a pretty table on paper, but it's a lot harder to manage in other contexts.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lojbanlorxu
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That's not QUITE the McGurk effect, but it's something close.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JASWhistman

The Esperanto team are good people!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/oneadventuree

This made my day and I'm smiling like an idiot!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pickleblossom

The positivity in these comments gives me life

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hellohclarence

I am glad and happy, thanks Duolingo and Esperanto Team ❤ You are so precious!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bunkerfox

What is Esperanto for Step-Mother?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SquirlRat
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'vicpatrino' is step-mother
'vicfratino' is step-sister
'duonfratino' is half-sister

'vico' means line/row/sequence/turn
'duono' means half

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LaurensEduard
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This probably is the best course out there.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Queenmoist

Yesssss! This really is the unifying language

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/m.tastic
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I love your username. "QueenMoist". Moist. Mooooist. Moooooooooist. :P

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BlouBenBear
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3 uplifters in a row hahaha

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nick2w

Long live Ireland!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dudink.
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Check us being all diverse in here. :p

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/islandis
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Tiu ĉi frazo feliĉegis min! Dankon, Esperanto-teamo!

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/D3act1vat3d_Us3r

Wait, what? How does that...

What?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bethany281730

It's talking about two gay men who have a child.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bethany281730

I mean, sorry, two gay women.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NeonMarkov
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Lesbians, they're a thing.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/theredcebuano

Esperanto team, you rock.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Germodeltoro
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This course just keeps getting better and better <3

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pawel_Z
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I guess all adopted children have two mothers

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tu_madre_vic

unless the child was adopted by a single man

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/InsertGoodName

or a gay couple of two men

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EsperTae
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But if he doesnt have a father how does he exsist? Is there a dark backstory that happened to this boys father?

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vgSe5
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Amazing! This sentence and positive reaction in comments make me more interested in Esperanto! Love it.

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vgSe5
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Amazing!

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/addiejm

YAS I LOVE THIS

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Numidix
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Well done!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nathan.Sander

I love this

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jwwX0
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Great :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Blake16180

I love this sentence

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ju.P.R
Ju.P.R
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LIVE IT ♡♡♡

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ju.P.R
Ju.P.R
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LOVE IT♡♡♡

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GueryLou
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That is cool :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jetjl412

I put "instead” instead of ”but” for ”sed” and i got it wrong, what would be the Esperanto Word for ”instead” be?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davorpancic

Go Duo!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ghormoon

Does esperanto have any special construct where english uses "though" or it can be used there? I've tried "He has no father, though he has two mothers" and "He has no father, he has two mothers, though" and both were rejected, us it right or are those just forgotten in the list?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Siavel

Kvankam is the word you're looking for. https://glosbe.com/eo/en/kvankam

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RubyM98689

HA, ADOPTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/m.m.lang

jEEEEESSS,, MI AMAS ĈI TIOOOON

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MrAryan
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Tiu estas la plendo vi serĉis; mi ne subteni homoseksualismon kaj opiniias edziĝo homoseksuala devus malleĝa. Kristisma bolŝevisma gango, suprenleviĝu!

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CaroEnrico
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For those who can't cope with homosexuality, it may comfort you to know that this sentence doesn't necessarily mean that his two mums are a lesbian couple.

2 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/emmijosefiina
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<3

1 week ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wattsin
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Ugh, two mommies. I already fight constantly with just one mom, would like two dads though.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Guevara4U

I wrote the exact same sentence as the correct one and yet ot was marked wrong, How come? Can some one explaint to me please!!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Al-Matine
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Check it carefully, you surely did a little error somewhere.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Guevara4U

Second time and still marked it wrong

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bethany281730

Report it.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/U2F

I don't think it's really educational...

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Trewpertrew
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Tio estas trouzo. La knabo ne havas masculina gvidado.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Siavel

Knabo kiu havas mortan patron ankaux ne havas viran gvidadon hejme. Ne estas trouzo. Avoj, instruistoj, kaj amikoj de la familio povas provizi viran gvidadon - ne necesas por geknaboj havi patro.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/paul-nechifor

It's unfortunate that you have to insert politics into teaching a language.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/camcamcam753

It's unfortunate that you think gay rights is a matter of politics.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zekario

LOL OMG THE EQUALITY XDDDDD

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/weclub

I feel bad that I have one mom and one dad!!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iamfromireland
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I see almost everyone here has no understanding of biology.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Siavel

Biology has very little to do with it. Adoptive parents are still parents and procreation does not automatically make you a parent.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/.elfin.
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Odd.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/americanu197
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lol Bill Hicks fans?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jonahmax14
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The translation must be incorrect, this isn't possible. (Don't down vote it's a joke)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LilDawg730

smh duolingo

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ManelPedro1

Who cares!? People just act normal, for human's sake!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Babybear15

Gejeco estas peko.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Acaciapaladin

He has two mothers because he was raised by his grandmother and his mother. His grandfather and father both passed, regrettably.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Allexber
Allexber
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Homosexual propaganda. That's lovely.

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davorpancic

Amo neniam estas propagando. Paco.

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iamfromireland
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just wait for the threats now...you can't express distaste!

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TommyDDoom

So.. They're like lesbians who adopted a child? xDD

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Albantar
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That's one option. There are others. :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zerozeroone
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It could be parents divorce, father remarries, then father dies. No father, but the speaker still has their birth-mother and step-mother.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/farpung

or the person was adopted, had one birth mother and one adoptive mother (and the biological father is unknown or dead)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SquirlRat
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Or a cis woman and a trans woman who have had a biological child together.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iamfromireland
iamfromireland
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Well, that would be a woman and a man then

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Keniko1
Keniko1
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It would not be, as it's a cis woman and a trans woman. I can see why you'd be confused though, all these languages have left no room in your brain for any intelligence.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iamfromireland
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Actually, it would, as I don't believe in made-up nonsense. Pity you don't have the intelligence to learn your own language properly.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Keniko1
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All language is made up. Do you not believe in elevators because someone had to create a new word for something we didn't have a way to describe?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iamfromireland
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Except vandalising an elevator and calling it a cable car doesn't make it a cable car. Off you go.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HentieTheart

Or two lesbians and one received donor insemination.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/theredcebuano

obviously.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dennie54
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I really don't care how someone lives. DL shouldn't be used for any ones own agenda. The fact that there are so many positives comment about this says their is an agenda here. The question is useful, but let's not use DL for the wrong reason(s).

I know that many will disagree if I say the current US President is the worst in President in our history. That's why DL shouldn't be use for anything except as a learning tool.

If you really need to voice your opinion on an issue ask for an email. This area is for discussion of the question from Esperanto to English, not to say how you feel. Stop the clutter.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Prgmstr
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mi tia curson sxatas, sed mi ne sxatas tia frazon. Unu patro, unu patrino, tio estas bona. (Sed dankon Duolingo! La curso estas bona!)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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I personally love the above-mentioned sentence - to me, it's the best sentence of the course so far -, but Prgmstr put his/her opinion without any insults, but even politely! Voting somebody down because of another opinion is not very pleasant to see in a community that preaches valuing other people's opinions and open-mindedness. That's why I upvoted his/her comment, even though I completely disagree with him/her.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/finn.fr
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Although he was not directly insulting anybody (which is lovely to see:), his/her opinion is directly insulting the rights and liberties of people like me and the family I hope to form someday. I can't help but take offense to that, and I'm sorry if that makes me seem more close-minded than Prgmstr...I do agree with him/her about this course being great though! I've been having a ton of fun :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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Okay, that's off topic here, but how can that be insulting? Prgmstr simply said I like your course, but I don't like your phrase. One father, one mother, that is good. (But thanks Duolingo, that course is good!) [I translated this sentence that everybody can follow us here]. (S)He neither says that having two mothers should be forbidden, that anyone should not have the right to form such a family or that (s)he wants to see your liberty limited. We have no idea whether Prgmstr is tolerant or not, whether (s)he dislikes gay people or not, we cannot say that. But (s)he is definitely not insulting anyone.

You should also know that I personally have to deal with inequality, injustice, lack of understanding and intolerance in my daily life because of certain reasons as well, but we have to learn the differences between different opinions, being intolerant, insults and political statements. Prgmstr was just stating his/her opinion, that is totally fine and appreciated.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/farpung

For future reference, Prgmstr never said "your". "Tia" means "this kind of", so he/she said "I like this kind of course, but I don't like this kind of sentence. Also, "frazo" = a sentence, "frazeto" (a little sentence) = a phrase.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Junia9

Prgmster didn't say a relationship other than one man, one woman was bad, only that she/he didn't like it. I don't like mayonnaise. Doesn't mean it's bad, just means I prefer not to eat it.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Albantar
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Just like somebody can say that interracial relationships aren't bad, but they just don't like them?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Albantar
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I've seen my share of relationship haters. When my fiancée and I were in Vietnam we got a lot of disapproving stares and even comments like "look at that, can't she find a good Vietnamese man?" and less pleasant ones like people openly wondering whether I was paying her - if you catch my drift. And even in Europe we get the occasional snide "mail order bride" remark. So I can definitely imagine what it's like for gay couples. I applaud the courage of openly gay couples and pray that one day they can truly live their lives as equals.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Junia9

Ok, you got me. :) I agree with you. Those are both hurtful statements. (although many people I know do feel that way)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ja025
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Oh come on, it's not the best. Wait 'till you master the use of the word "cake". Aaaahhh, cakeee....

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/seraph-nm

I personally disagree with you entirely. I happen to like boys, despite being male myself. However, I also like that you were willing to post a very unpopular opinion in a polite, respectful manner. Thanks for having the bravery to do that. Sorry you have so many downvotes-- I would expect a more tolerant attitude of differences in opinion from Duolingo people.

I'm not offended by your comment. I even gave you a lingot. Hope you have a nice day, and maybe some day your opinion might change. c:

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/darth10ter
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Thank you Prgmstr for stating your opinion, even in a minority! I hope that DL is a community where BOTH sides of a subject can be equally heard. An upvote for you!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/avocadohummus

...it's not a 'subject'. My (along with every other gay person on duolingo's) happiness and well being is not a political statement. It's so insulting when people like you reduce us to that and say that it's only fair for people to openly preach against our existence.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ASleepingRock

...that seems to be quite the step from what was orginally said. Didn't see words like "destroy", "demean", or "hate"... but if that's the connotation you got, well who am I to tell you otherwise?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hugodiazroa

here comes the paradox, if you are intolerant with someone, some people will be intolerant with you, making them intolerant, so they will be hypocrites or won't have a problem with intolerance. but anyway if doesn't afecct you, why bothering in vote down or saying that should be only a father or a mother.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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You are right - except for the fact that we have no idea whether Prgmstr is tolerant or not. That's why I don't understand why you wrote it as a direct answer to him/her. Disliking a sentence like this does not mean that one is intolerant. You can accept things but still dislike them and express your opinion and that is, in fact, tolerant, not intolerant.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/diego.dimond

I am really sorry about this but I must say it: I really love Duolingo. It's the best thing ever created, however you should avoid this kind of proselitist sentences. there are people who still believe in tradicional family and love Esperanto at the same time. Take it as an advice. I love you all

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/beanie.m
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Yeah, but there are people who don't believe in traditional families and love Esperanto at the same time, too.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Siavel

He does not have a father, but he has two mothers.

This is not proselytizing. It's a statement of a fact. There are a lot of ways that a person can have two mothers and no father (adoption being another example) and yet you are choosing to interpret it in a singular way.

Whether or not you believe in a "traditional" family or a "non-traditional" family isn't really relevant, since "non-traditional" families will still exist whether you approve of them or not. It is appropriate for a language course to teach us the words we can use to discuss them.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lordbalmung

I wish there was an option to skip

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/XamLeumas
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There can be no pro-creation without a mother and a father. Therefore, li havas patron.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/beanie.m
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Eble li havis patron, sed ne plu.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Siavel

There are a number of ways in which someone can have a paternal ancestor but not have a father. Perhaps his father died when he was a baby. Perhaps his father abandoned him. Perhaps his father disowned him. Perhaps his father was an unknown sperm donor.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ben421175

I'm going to assume this refers to a mom and step mom, mom and mom-in-law, or something like that. I hope Duolingo isn't trying to make a statement with this translation.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/avocadohummus

Why is the existence of gay people a 'statement'? Can we not live without people like you making us political?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ben421175

Their existence isn't a statement; however, this post can be taken as a statement. For me, though, it has nothing to do with politics. Instead, it has to do with matters of belief regarding right and wrong. I am here to learn a language, and I just hope that Duolingo is here to teach that language and not make lessons designed to make a statement. That's all I'm saying. Also, I mustn't have been the only one thinking this sentence for translation could be taken that way - after all, there are tons of replies on this one sentence and most refer to the potential "statement" Duolingo could be making...and those views fall on both sides of the fence. Finally, this sentence caught your eye enough to have you read the comments and then respond to mine. I would imagine that you viewed this as some sort of statement (actual or potential) or you would have likely moved on as with other sentences you have found in your studies. Best wishes, avocadohummus, and no hard feelings from me. Thanks for your comment!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KimGlvez

This is for fags

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KimGlvez

Im taking back learning esperanto if im going to talk with all this faggots

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Siavel

You won't be missed.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/erissilet

Bye

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IXAUHTL
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Why is there so many comments? Like somebody really cares about homosexuals. We have many more very important problems than this, discuss them instead. Complaining about gay/not-gay is soooooo obsolete and boring. It seems like homosexuals enjoy all these disputes around them. Like if they are very special and extraordinary. But actually they are not.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MauriceDun
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Yet you still took the time to comment. Hmm........

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nebelung1
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First thing first, poor child.

Secondly, it is biologically IMPOSSIBLE to not have a father, but of course you can chose to not tell your child who his/her father is for whatever egocentric reason.

I'm lucky to have grown up with my mother and my father, and to have a good relation with both!

Keep Duolingo politically unbiased, pretty please!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Siavel

First, why? Kids often have non-traditional families and turn out fine. Examples - divorce, adoption by grandparents, abandonment by one parent and a family friend steps in to be a second parent, gay/lesbian parents.

There are a number of ways in which someone can have a paternal ancestor but not have a father. Perhaps his father died when he was a baby. Perhaps his father abandoned him. Perhaps his father disowned him. Perhaps his father was an unknown sperm donor.

There was no politics in the sentence. It merely stated a fact without context. The people who are adding their own context are the ones making the sentence political. It is appropriate for Duolingo to teach us the words we may need to discuss the world around us, regardless of what our opinions are.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Christopehr

Okay...I KNOW that the WORLD has decided that homosexuality is okay. BUT there is still a MAJORITY of us that don't want this world view shoved down our throats at every opportunity, nor do we want to have it shoved into our kids.

This is STILL a highly charged and politicized sentiment, can we PLEASE KEEP THE PROPAGANDA OUT!!!! I am talking about both sides of this issue. I also would not want any "ANTI GAY" sentiments added in to the program. Esperanto is about NEUTRALITY well for goodness sake KEEP IT NEUTRAL.

I already get this propaganda EVERYWHERE ELSE. EVERY major television show, major corporation, and news outlet. This is NOT the place for the propaganda...please keep it out. Especially in a program that will REPEATEDLY state a position like this.

On the plus side I am really enjoying the course...it is probably one of the best courses on duo lingo. And probably the best Esperanto course ever.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MauriceDun
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How is this propaganda? This sentence is useful seeing that there are many countries with same sex marriage. The sentence wasn't I support homosexuality; it was an observational statement.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/finn.fr
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On the flip side, one could argue that gay people like myself have had straight propaganda shoved down our throats...And anyways, it should be viewed as neutral, because why on EARTH would it matter if two people who love each other get married and have a child? Sentences like these will help that become just as normal as heterosexual families. I'm sorry if it feels like propaganda to you, but it's the way the world is starting to and will continue to work, regardless of whether or not you think it's okay.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Falsafaa
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On the flip side, one could argue that gay people like myself have had straight propaganda shoved down our throats...

I remember reading this sentence a year ago. It enlightened me.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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Esperanto is neutral and democratic and everybody has the right to express his/her opinion. I agree with MauriceDun here: Saying that one sentence like this is propaganda is simply wrong. It's a somehow political statement, yes, but it doesn't say that anyone should apply to this model or that anyone should like it (thus, no propaganda).

That's why I cannot understand your tone. Furthermore, I fully agree to finn.fr here: Gay people have been oppressed for such a long time and have been facing hate, intolerance, persecution, dead penalty and so much more for no reason that it's simply disgusting. We are all humans and it is not us to decide what preferences we have, it's in us. And it's also not us to decide what is natural and what isn't. Everybody is different and I have simply no idea why people care about other families sexualities. As finn.fr said, why can't you keep it simply neutral?

If you say that you dislike that model, that's totally fine (even though I'm of a completely different opinion ;-) ), but stating that this is propaganda is plain wrong.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/finn.fr
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merci beaucoup Alex! Votre support ici signifique beaucoup

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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Merci beaucoup =)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DillonReyn
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Excusez-moi. Est-ce que vous-avez utiliser une autre langue ici parce que OP ne le peut pas comprendre? xD

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/finn.fr
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je suis l'OP :) j'ai change le langue pour pratiquer :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/finn.fr
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Ahahaha nope :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DillonReyn
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Ahh, d'accord. Je pensais vous-avez changer votre langue de sorte que Christopehr ne peut pas lire vos commentaires! Hahaha,

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Siavel

En Esperanto, oni povas diri "Ne krokodilas!"

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zerozeroone
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Ne krokodilu?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Siavel

Ho, ve. Vi pravas, mi eraris. Mi ja volis diri "Ne krokodilu!"

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Christopehr

If it isn't propaganda, then why all of the cheer-leading for it? Why is everyone taking it that way if it isn't? Read those who say "This is the best sentence I have seen!!!" Or "Preach it" It isn't the BEST sentence unless it expresses a view that you agree with. It is politically charged, it is just that those who agree with it try to talk down how charged it is so that it can have the desired effect (to change minds and attitudes). Esperanto has an extremely regular syntax....just about ANY other noun would have illustrated the syntax EXACTLY the same way as this one did. The tone of my response was that I don't want to be preached to in a LANGUAGE LEARNING PROGRAM. AND THAT IS WHAT WAS DONE. I also stated clearly that I don't want anything hateful in it either. I simply don't want something this charged because it isn't necessary for any other reason than to further an agenda. This is the last I will say on it. Think me a monster if you wish, I have expressed my view that it isn't helpful for the study of the language and is indeed harmful for its progress. Apparently nobody else views it the same way...so be it. Be well and happy then.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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  • If it isn't propaganda, then why all of the cheer-leading for it? - People are happy that they find an open-minded sentence here. Esperanto is a neutral and democratic community and that includes the acceptance of having parents of the same gender. Nothing more, nothing less.
  • Why is everyone taking it that way if it isn't? Not everyone takes it this way, few people do and they exaggerate like you.
  • Read those who say "This is the best sentence I have seen!!!" Or "Preach it" It isn't the BEST sentence unless it expresses a view that you agree with. Wow, so if I agree to a statement or view, this does make the statement or view a preach/political sentence/propaganda sentence? Interesting thought...
  • It is politically charged, it is just that those who agree with it try to talk down how charged it is (...) What? It's a bit charged, yes, but again, you're simply exaggerating. It's not saying something like "Having same-gender parents is the only way to raise a child properly", is it?
  • (...)so that it can have the desired effect (to change minds and attitudes). Aha, one sentence without any political framework (that would be something like this sentence within a long preach that would be indeed politically charged), a simple statement that is without any preaching or propaganda could have the effect of changing minds and attitudes? That's really illogical and absurd. Seeing an advertisement on fruit and vegetables in the TV does not make me automatically vegan.
  • The tone of my response was that I don't want to be preached to in a LANGUAGE LEARNING PROGRAM. Fair enough, but you are not preached. A preached sentence would be "please praise to a gay god", "support our initiative against heterosexual parents", "BECOME GAY!!!1", "Raising children is done best with two fathers" etc - none of this happens here.
  • AND THAT IS WHAT WAS DONE.1 No, it isn't.
  • I also stated clearly that I don't want anything hateful in it either. You are the only one here who really raises his tone in such an aggressive and inappropriate manner. You also could have simply explained in a neutral way why you dislike the sentence. You didn't and that's a real pity because it prevents me from valuing your point of view - hence your downvotes.
  • I simply don't want something this charged because it isn't necessary for any other reason than to further an agenda. Neither do I, but it isn't this charged (like propaganda).
  • Think me a monster if you wish No, I simply think that you are exaggerating and I wonder why you act so aggressively (because there is absolutely no need to).
  • Apparently nobody else views it the same way That's not true either, there are more people than you here who disagree with this sentence, just read the whole discussion and its answers.
  • Be well and happy then. I had been happier if we could have had a discussion in a neutral manner. That's how one discusses properly and without infuriating anyone. But well, all the best to you, too!
3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/no.name.42
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I would to say that this sentence doesn't actually mention gay people. There are many other possible explanations, for instance my mother's dad died before she was born. She was raised by her mother and her aunt, so one could say she didn't have a father, but she had two mothers. Furthermore, simply mentioning that gay people exist doesn't make something "propaganda." Just like how mentioning some people think gay people will burn in hell isn't propaganda.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Esperantistino

The sentence is not in the least bit politic. It states a fact about an hypothetical man who has 2 mothers. It is not an opinion, it's not an agenda, there is no comment about whether that hypothetical situation is good or bad, it's a 100% neutral. How is that anymore offensive than 'my grand-mother comes from China?'

And why is having ONE sentence about a same-sex family ''shoving a world view down our throats'' but somehow, having DOZENS of sentences opposite-sex family not '''shoving a world view down our throats''?

''Oh no, different people are allowed to exist and be represented as well, neutrality is breached''. No, that's not neutrality you want, quite the contrary...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chessmaster456

As a kid, I am perfectly fine with having gay rights messages shoved in my face. In fact, I welcome these messages with open arms. Please do your research before you comment, too. Because it looks like it is actually the majority of people who do support gay rights, and not the minority. Which disproves your second sentence. If you really have problems with opinions and root for neutrality, then why don't I see you getting upset over the sentence 'La knabino šatas pomoj'? Even if your religion is a factor in your homophobia, you could at least be respectful about it and actually be neutral like you're saying it should be in your comment. Oh and speaking of which, this sentence was already neutral in the first place. It does not portray this issue in a positive light or a negative light. So your comment was pretty much pointless.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Argyle11

The lady doth protest too much me thinks.

This sentence needn't have a ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ thing to do with homosexuality so wind your head in. My dad left the family when I was very young. A little later I was baptised and got a godmother and she quickly came to have the same importance and relevance in my life as my biological mother.

1 year ago
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