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- "Ni ludas rapide."
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It's more natural than 'we play rapidly/quickly' and "fast" is on the list of translations for rapide, so I'm equally confused.
Yes. Fast indicates a high speed, which would seem very strange for playing. Quickly indicates a short time period. EDIT: I actually disagree with myself here.
what if one is playing a musical instrument? i could see it being translated as "fastly" or "fast" in that case.
The word still serves the purpose of an adverb so there is no need to change it, it is suggested in hints after all.
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Technically, yes. "Fast" is an adjective, so it should describe a noun. In this sentence, it describes a verb. In its place should be an adverb such as "quickly."
However, people frequently ignore this rule and say stuff like "we play fast" anyway.
So, technically it is wrong but, realistically, it's used that way.
Fast is an adverb in this sentence. So the sentence is technically correct and not technically wrong. Fast is not just an adjective. It is also an adverb, a noun and a verb.
Yes, Webster's Collegiate Dictionary confirms that "fast" is also an adverb meaning swiftly or rapidly, not that I was in any doubt, so "we play fast" is entirely correct, rigorous English.
This is a nightmare for Swedish speakers. "Vi" is "we" in Swedish, and "ni" is the plural form of "you."
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A lot of games involve an element of speed. And even if they don't, they can be played at various rates.
The card games Nertz and Speed, for example, are played quickly.
Chess can be fast or slow depending on how long each player takes to plan their turn.
And, I don't know if ludas applies to musical instruments or not, but if it does, you can definitely play music at different paces.
Is it just me, or does the audio sound like "ni ludasa rapide", i.e. the 's' of 'ludas' sounds like 'sa'?
I agree, it either sounds like ludasa or arapide. I don't understand the extra "a" sound.
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I heard ludas arapide. Then I listened again...
The R in rapide is trilled. Since English speakers aren't accustomed to hearing trilled Rs, a full trill sound can sound like there's an additional letter somewhere around it. This effect is often amplified if it's adjacent to a consonant (the s from ludas, in this case).
The speaker vocalized his breath as he prepared to pronounce that deliciously rolled R in "rapide". I too had trouble and clicked replay about 30 times to make sure that he wasn't saying "ludasa rapide" or "ludas arapide". So, it wasn't you. There was definitely an "a" sound enunciated between "ludas" and "rapide". But, I think it was worth it to hear that fantastic rolled R.
This is one of those times I wish the Esperanto course had the option to slow down the speaking, like some of the other courses give you the option to do...
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Kids trying to convince their parents to let them play one more game... ;) (Please? It'll be fast!)
Do we make adverbs plural like in nouns and adjectives? Ni ludas rapidej.
No, adverbs only have an -e ending. Since verbs have no plural, I guess neither have adverbs.
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You are right. Even in languages with plural verbs (Czech, French, Italian, Spanish…) adverbs do not depend on the number; they certainly do not in Esperanto.
However, since English (to my knowledge) has no words ending in an “-e” sound, some English-speaking beginners tend to append a short “j” to such words in Esperanto, pronouncing “ne” as “nej” (nay) and “bone” as “boŭnej” (bownay). That goes away over time.
I do not think so. (But I am not an expert...) Because adverbs depend on their verbs, but adjectives depend on their nouns. Since adjectives describes the causer of the action, it has to be shaped equally to that causer. On the other hand, the adverb is the answer to "How has been the action done?", with no connection to its causer, there is no reason to shape it like it. (Prove me wrong, please.)
Can I say "Ni rapide ludas" because I find it odd that the adverb comes after the verb. (I thought it normally came before the verb in Esperanto)
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“Ni rapide ludas” is fine, and if it was rejected you should have reported it. In my opinion “ni ludas rapide” puts more emphasis on “rapide” than on “ludas,” so when there is a context about playing the model solution may be used to put an emphasis on speed.
