"Ili ŝatas blankan panon kaj ili ŝatas nigran panon."
Translation:They like white bread and they like black bread.
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According to Wikipedia, black bread is rye bread. Far less common, I imagine, than brown (wholemeal) bread.
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Rye bread (ржаной хлеб, "rzhanoy hleb") is quite widespread in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.
It best goes with borsch and other soups, also it's common to snack vodka with black bread.
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You forgot to mention that it is as dark as a bear and resembles a balalaika in shape.
Jokes aside, rye bread is no more related to borsch and vodka than to other food and drink. Choosing between white and black bread is more a matter of personal taste. (That's what the Esperanto sentence is about.)
There's another evidence that black bread is not something special for vodka. In the dialect of Russian that is used in Saint Petersburg, hleb means black bread (not bread in general), and bulka means white bread (not bun as in common Russian). It's not just a historical fact. In recent years, I was personally in situations where I saw white bread (in a store, a cafe), asked for hleb and was answered with something like: "There is no hleb left. This? You've asked for hleb but this is bulka".
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Rye is also quite common here in the United States. Or at least here in the central U.S. But not nearly as common as white or brown.
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I'm pretty sure they know what rye bread is. I, for one, have simply never heard it referred to as "black bread". It's not black, so why call it that? Idk. This is news to me.
Schwarzbrot. Probably what Terry Pratchett had in mind for his dwarf bread ; ) But yes it is a rye bread that they bake pretty long too and sometimes add so many sunflower seeds in it, that its barely bread^^
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Je pense qu'il s'agit de ce que nous français appelons du "pain complet".
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When you toast the bread way too much. That happened to me; that bagel was far from delicious.
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So, this sentence could be talking about one group that likes both white and black bread, or about two different groups that like different kinds of bread, right? Is there a way to differentiate between the two options in Esperanto?
If you say "Ili ŝatas blankan panon kaj nigran panon", it is one group that likes both kinds of bread.
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Nope, not necessarily. Don't get the wrong idea; Esperanto is very prone to ambiguity.
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Actually it's not because it is Esperanto, because english version of that sentence would be constructed the exact same way, and causing the exact same ambiguity
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I never said English would be better. They are both very prone to ambiguity—English is much, much more.
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Assuming it is two groups of people, is there a way to distinguish that similarly to in spanish saying "a (group) les gusta" before "ili sXatas" ?
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I'm not 100% sure of this but it might be possible using ankaŭ.
Like "Ili ŝatas blankon pano kaj ili ŝatas ankaŭ nigran pano." if I'm right would be just "They like white bread, and they like black bread too."
And "Ili ŝatas blankon pano kaj ankaŭ ili ŝatas nigran pano." would be like "They like white bread, and they (group 2) like black bread."
Someone should probably confirm if I'm right or not. XD I just thought of it after seeing your question.
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"Ili ŝatas blankon pano kaj ili ŝatas ankaŭ nigran pano." Would not be correct because the word "ankau" must appear immediately before the word it refers to. (https://www.duolingo.com/skill/eo/Colors) However, I believe that "Ili ŝatas blankon pano kaj ili ankaŭ ŝatas nigran pano." would be correct.
The first sentence means "They like white bread and they like black bread (in addition to white bread)" So I would say it's correct. The rule about coming before the word it modifies is a good one, but be careful about finding the word that's modified. (Some authors, including Zamenhof, have broken this rule.)
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"Ili ŝatas blankon pano kaj ili ŝatas ankaŭ nigran pano." Would not be correct because the word "ankau" must appear immediately before the word it refers to. (https://www.duolingo.com/skill/eo/Colors)
However, I believe that "Ili ŝatas blankon pano kaj ili ankaŭ ŝatas nigran pano." would be correct.
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Can you shorten this in any way? in english instead of saying that you could say "they like white AND black bread" emphasize the "and" or you'll get multicolored bread. How is this in esperanto?
Yep, assuming the two they's refer to the same group of people, it could have been "Ili ŝatas blankan panon kaj nigran panon"
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is there a difference between lli and ili in esperanto? is is something related to the grammer?
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Lli is not a word in Esperanto (or at least not one that is taught in this course, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist altogether). You're probably confusing the upper-case i for an L :)
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There's no word for "a" in Esperanto. So it can be read that way if you like, but it's direct translation is : "They like white bread and they like black bread"
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Yeah but you'd probably say something like "They go into that car" in real life.
"Ili iras en tiun aŭton"
I was just pointing out that while there is no word for "a/an", it's still implied by nouns. Realistically, you would say what you said.
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So just make sure not to say the esperanto word for black around people who don't speak esperanto...
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Oh, first I didn't understand what is meant with "black" and "white"-bread.... :D
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Could you translate in a more mature fashion: They like white and black bread.
Does blankan panon and nigran panon have the "n" at the end because the white and black bread are the subjects of the sentence?
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... because they're the objects of the sentence. That is, they're receiving the action of "sxatas".
In Esperanto, some people find it easier to type Sx instead of ŝ and Cx instead of ĉ and so on and so forth. It's just when people either don't have access to an Esperanto keyboard or they don't want to use it. You can also use Sh and Ch if you're so inclined however that usage is much older and isn't as widespread as X
I was confused for a little bit but now i understand completely. I'm not sure why but Korean is much easier for me than esperanto or European languages in general and I'm not even korean or know Asian languages in general.
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According to Wikipedia, black bread is rye bread. Far less common, I imagine, than brown (wholemeal) bread.
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Make sure you're reading the other comments... but yes. I would bet you a loaf of black bread that there is a part of the world where "black bread" is a common expression. In Croatia, for example, the opposite of white whine is black wine ( = red wine).
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I meant it to ask if that's a correct translation when I clicked 'post'
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The translation in the OP is correct:
- "Ili ŝatas blankan panon kaj ili ŝatas nigran panon."
- Translation: They like white bread and they like black bread.
Was that your question?
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Oh, jeez- im just now learning my colors. You mean to tell me they constructed a language and STILL????
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I think this sentence should be: Ili ŝatas blankon kaj nigran panon.
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Duolingo glitched and wouldn't let me go forward... just commenting to see if it would help :(
I am now really happy with this because it accepts They like white bread and black bread
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There's no black bread in American English, lmao. Say that and people will look at you like a lunatic. We have varieties of bread though--rye, multigrain, sourdough, whatever you want.
