"Ni gustumas teon."

Translation:We taste tea.

3 years ago

33 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/Kreilyn
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Do gustumi and bongusti have any difference?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/johmue

Jes, a very big difference.

"bongusti" means that something tastes good, "gustumi" means to try how something tastes.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PurpleHuedMagPie

Just by curiosity, does the "-um-" in gustumi means something? Like "to try"?

Because I understand that in bongusti, "bon-" is "good/well" and "gusti" is taste, thus "bongusti" "good taste".

So if "-um-" is "to try", does this mean that adding it to "bon-" to make "bonumi" is now "to try to be good"?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/johmue

"-um-" is a suffix without defined meaning. You can use it whenever you need a suffix for something and no other one suits.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexeiNewt
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and "umo" is a noun for something which you don't know what it is.

Also "umi" as a verb is usually used to mean "to hang out".

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ScottBoggs3

Why do you need a suffix if you don't need one? I don't understand, why couldn't someone just say "ni gustas teo"?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joffysloffy

Because gusti means ‘to cause a sensation on your tongue’, so for instance you can say ‘Teo gustas bone’ = ‘tea tastes good’, i.e., tea causes a good/nice sensation on your tongue. However, you cannot say ‘Mi gustas teon’*, because then ‘I cause a sensation on someone's tongue’ and then somehow ‘teo’ is in the accusative case, which makes no sense; gusti does not take an object.

On the other hand, gustumi means ‘to perceive a taste’ or ‘to try something in order to perceive its taste’. So now ‘Mi gustumas teon’ makes sense, because it means ‘to perceive the taste of tea’ or ‘to try tea in order to perceive its taste’.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ejae2001ph

Can this also mean "We are tasting tea." ?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joffysloffy

Yes.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Davgwynne

Is there a difference between gustas and gustumas?

Could you just swap them? Ni gustas teon. We taste tea. Gxi bongustumas. It tastes good.

Or is one an attribute of what is being tasted (gustas) and one an attribute of what (or who) is doing the tasting (gustumas).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexeiNewt
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You were right the second time: "Mi ne gustumas bone" is what you'd say if you had a blocked nose, whereas "Mi ne gustas bone" is what you'd say to a monster trying to eat you :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Davgwynne

Thanks. So in English your first example would be "I do not taste well." And your second is "I do not taste good." Interestingly, in the second example, in English, taste is a noun not a verb (do being the verb here) and good being an adjective. Could the latter then be "Mia gusto ne estas bona."?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DSDragon
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Actually, in both English examples, the verb is "do taste" (modified by the word "not"). Neither example has taste as a noun, which would be the case if one of the examples was "I do not have a sense of taste."

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexeiNewt
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Hmm...

"taste" in this context is not a noun, it's an infinitive. You don't say "I don't tennis", you say "I don't do tennis". That's because "tennis" is a noun, and in English you can't say use verb + not + noun, you have to use auxiliary + not + infinitive/participle + noun.

As for your question, that is another way of saying it, yes, but not because "taste" is a noun in the sentence, but because the root meaning of "taste" is the same whether it's a noun or an infinitive.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Davgwynne

I will accept that my English grammar is not wonderful and have got confused about adverbs before, so might well be wrong about nouns and verbs too. "Do" by itself is a transitive verb. "Taste" (from Chambers dictionary) Noun - The particular sensation caused by a substance on the tongue. (This is the meaning that I had thought I was using.) However, I also accept that you don't "Do" a noun. I was wrong again.

But ... "Good" in (UK English - from various dictionaries including Chambers & OED) is not an adverb but is an adjective. You don't use an adjective to describe the action of a verb, you use it to describe a thing. So since "good" in the sentence is not an adverb and is applying to the word "taste", I had jumped to the (wrong) conclusion that "taste" was being used as a noun.

I'm still (obviously) confused.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DSDragon
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"Taste" is also a verb, Davgwynne. It's the action we perform with our tongues. It can be either transitive (telling what we taste) or intransitive (telling how the subject of the sentence tastes to us).

"Do" is really a helping (or auxilliary) verb in this sentence. The main verb is "taste." "Good" is definitely an adverb, modifying the verb "taste." (It answers the question, "How does it taste?")

"Not," in this case, modifies "do taste" by making it negative. So the question being answered is, "How does it taste?" with the answer being "not good." ("Not" is an adverb, modifying "good.")

Does this help?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Davgwynne

Thanks DSDragon that does help

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jansamu
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Is this, "We taste a cup of tea"? or is it like a scenario in a factory where you try some chewing gum and say "We taste a tea flavouring".

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexeiNewt
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Neither: it's tasting an unspecified amount of tea. If it meant "a cup of tea" it would say "tason da teo", and if it meant "tea flavouring" it would say "teguston" (or "tean guston", "guston de teo" etc.). And if you were wondering, "type of tea" would be "tespecon" (or "tean guston", "guston de teo").

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DSDragon
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Would "We try tea" work?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joffysloffy

Yes, gustumi can mean to taste something in the sense of taking a tiny sip to experience the taste. See PIV second definition:

gustumi (tr)
1. Percepti per la gustosenso
2. Ekpreni malgrandan kvanton da io, por sperti ties guston
3. Ŝati, ĝui, sperti la guston de io

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Raztastic

I think the accentuation of gustumas is a bit off. Shouldn't the stress be on the second to last syllable, i.e. gusTUmas instead od GUStumas?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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The recording sounds OK to me - with the accent on the second-to-last syllable.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AngeloBulf

Would something like "gustmesuri" (taste-measure) be acceptable for something like this?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joffysloffy

It would be gustmezuri. However, this really does not fit the sentence: Measuring has some defined answer; when you taste, you personally get an idea of something, about which you may have an opinion (you can like the taste, etc.). This is not a measurement, because other people who ‘measure’ this probably get a different result.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexeiNewt
AlexeiNewt
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So what about gustsenci?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joffysloffy

I don't see how gustsenci makes sense. If you meant gustsensi, then I think this would just be gustumi in the third sense: sperti la guston de io, since sensi means ricevi impreson pere de senso.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexeiNewt
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Yeah, I think I meant gustsensi: taste + sense.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexeiNewt
AlexeiNewt
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@Joffysloffy I realised that right after I wrote the comment so edited it. You're just too quick :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joffysloffy

Hm… I can't really make sense of that, since senti basically means ‘to feel’. Maybe gustsenti would be something like getting due to something you taste, but I really wouldn't know. I'm not sure what the meaning is you're intending.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joffysloffy

@AlexeiNewt Haha :), I see!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Turfur

Wouldn't it be more natural to say "Ni estas gustata de teo"?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joffysloffy

No, that doesn't seem to make sense. The verb gusti is not a transitive verb; that is, it does not take an object. It just means something like “To cause the perception of taste”. Therefore, you cannot make it passive. Secondly, de teo seems weird as well, as if teo is the actor of gusti (as if it were a transitive verb); you know, just like you'd use de for something like La pilko estas ĵetita de mi = The ball is thrown by me.

6 months ago
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