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"Mi trovis tiun ĉi retejon hieraŭ, kiam mi retumis."
Translation:I found this website yesterday, when I was surfing the internet.
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We need a better translation of retumis. No one says they're "Surfing the internet" anymore.
Lots of people on the information superhighway still say "surfing the internet". Maybe you're just not hanging out with all the cool people in cyberspace?
Dutch has turned internet into a verb: internetten. Should be even easier in English. But I haven't come across it yet.
I think in English you typically just say you "went on the internet" or you "were on the internet". So in this sentence, it could just be "when I was on the internet".
It now accepts "web surfing," which is what most people say around here, a stone's throw from MIT.
Nobody I know even says internet in any context but a rhetorical answer for "where'd you find that?". Everything else is "on the computer", "searching/looking up/Googling", just using a program or playing a game, and being "online".
Interesting... I don't think it's that extreme where I am, although now you have me wondering if I'm just forgetting that usually "on the internet" becomes "online" here, as well. I do know, at least, that "internet" is still used to describe the internet itself, of course. For example, if someone is having internet issues, they will describe that using the word "internet" still.
It's interesting that Dutch has come up with a word, but English hasn't, given that we usually just add an 'ing' ending to any noun to make new verbs (texting, googling, etc.). I haven't heard 'internetting' being used as a word in English!
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In Spanish it's navegar, which means sailing. Also many people use the verb usar to use, followed by the specific site they were on or the word internet. So: usar el face to be on facebook, usar google or googlear is googling, usar internet to surf, etc.
Well, this was my take on it:
Translate this text
Mi trovis tiun ĉi retejon hieraŭ, kiam mi retumis.→ I found this webpage yesterday, when I web surfed.
Almost correct!
I found this web page yesterday, when I web surfed.Another correct solution:
I found this website yesterday, when I was surfing the internet.
so, basically
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ret'ej'o web page, a web page
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ret'um'i web surf, to web surf
Then again, I guess I'm ... old?
(I was already an adult, when InterNet arrived to each and every home, in the 1990's.)
I think surfing the internet carries the idea of looking around at multiple pages and sites, exploring, while one can be online continuosly on one site and do no exploring at all. This goes back to when people had "home pages", so surfing was looking at home made web pages.. This predates filling your online time chatting on facebook, twitter, whatsapp, or any of the modern, real time, text/video chatting systems.
You can get constantly changing input from many people now while staying on one site, so no reason to surf.
So retejon is website and retpaĝo is webpage? In English, I just usually think they're synonyms, so I wasn't sure how to differentiate in Esperanto 8-o
ETA: also retumi clearly has ret as part of its roots, but I don't recognise -um? Suddenly curious!
retejo = website, like www.duolingo.com (and all pages on this domain, including the internal database)
retpaĝo = webpage, part of a website, like
https://www.duolingo.com/skill/eo/Verbs:-Conditional/2
In practice you often make no sharp distinction, used as synonyms, yes.
I suppose the hejmpaĝo would be a clear example of a retpaĝo that is obviously different from a retejo.
reto == net, network; and since -ej == place, retejo == network place, which seems more broad than retpagxo == web page.
"retejo" and "retpaĝo" are synonyms.
And you're right about "retumi"! The suffix "-um" doesn't have much of a well-defined meaning, but in verbs it means something like "do something related to".
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I don't think treating retejo and retpaĝo as synonyms would be a good idea. A website is a collection of webpages, thus retejo would be a collection of retpaĝoj.
ohhhhh now you say that I think I may have seen um in some lists of affixes! thanks :-D
because while translates from 'dum'. indicating duration. While similar, they are not the same.
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Mi scias, ke mi muŝbugras, sed...
If I understand correctly, ret- means "network something", and is used, like in English, as a shortcut for "internet something" (interret-). But the word for "web something" is rather TTT- than ret-.
So retejo is literally an internet site, and thus, could be a gopher site, an FTP site or an IRC site.
... or Esperanto is not as logical as it pretends to be and retejo just means "website" and not "internet site"?
I think you answered your own question. The internet (Interreto) and the World Wide Web (Tut-tera teksaĵo) are not the same thing, so retejo does include FTP and other protocols, whereas TTT-ejo refers only to HTTP websites. However, unless you are a computer scientist or engineer, there is not much point in making a functional distinction between the two words. To most people they're synonyms.
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What bothers me is that, if you and me are right, then the Reta-Vortaro is wrong, both in its definition and in its english translation (note that the french and german translations are more accurate). Wikipedia also redirect retejo directly to TTT-ejo. Reta-Vortaro and Wikipedia should be reference websites, thus accurate, and without language abuse. That's why I'm wondering: are those sources wrong, or is the Esperanto wrong about this detail (reto = TTT)?
Note that, at least, the PIVE defines TTT-ejo, but not retejo. This may enforce the hypothesis that the word retejo itself is a language abuse... which is completely understandable: I must admit that the word TTT-ejo isn't really elegant! I found on the web a few references (52 in Google) to the word teksaĵejo, which seems more accurate than retejo and more elegant than TTT-ejo, but I guess it isn't really used. Too bad!
And finally (maybe the most important) Duolingo should also accept "internet site" in this sentence, which was not the case when I tried. Next time, I'll report it as a problem.
I think the sources are wrong, but they're not authoritative. The Academy of Esperanto is, and they use "retejo" on their home page, I don't see how it could be an abuse of the language or wrong in any way.
I agree that "Internet site" should be an acceptable translation in English. The downside of Esperanto's flexibility is that precise, technical definitions and translations are difficult
Mi pensas, kial 'retumi' kaj ne 'retuzi' por surfado la interreto, ĉar precize, ni uzas la reto, ĉu ne?
I got this wrong the first time when I said ĉi tiun instead of tiun ĉi. Can someone explain to me why the word order is so critical here? Or why in this case the word order matters?
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It makes no difference at all unless you were listening to the audio and did not write what was spoken.
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I've listened a half dozen times or more. "retejon" is spoken so fast that it is inaudible. I can not hear it between "ĉi" and "hieraŭ" .
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Thank you for your ever so friendly answer. No, I just need the ability to slow it down about 10%. Thanks.
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You're welcome. Since you are so often complaining about how hard it is to understand the words which no one else seems to have as much difficulty with, I was wondering if there may be a physical problem.
I was not being sarcastic, but I do understand you being so.
It is my understanding that Duo, when they have funds to spare, are working on making a turtle button, but that may be awhile.
