is there a reason this is "ni havas milionon da pomoj" and not "ni havas miliono pomojn" If we had like six apples, I would say "Ni havas ses pomojn", not "Ni havas ses da pomoj"
This question is two years old, but I don't see that it's received a good answer. Very simply, "ses" is grammatically a cardinal number and "miliono" is grammatically a noun showing a quantity. As for why this is and whether this is a good thing or logical, I'm going to skip over that part. It's just how Esperanto is.
So, since million (miliono) is a noun, we need the -n ending if we have one.
- We have a million.
- Ni havas milionon.
We can then clarify what we have a million of. For that, we use da.
- Ni havas milionon da pomoj.
In contrast, if we have apples, we add the -n right to the apples.
- Ni havas pomojn.
Then, since "ses" is grammatically a number, we can add "ses" to say how many we have.
- NI havas ses pomojn.
By the way, we can also have more than one million. Let's say we had six of them.
- Ni havas ses milionojn.
Then clarify six million of what
- NI havas ses milionojn da pomoj.
LIterally "We have six millions of eggs."
This is similar to the Portuguese concept of numbers.
One thousand apples: mil maçãs
One million apples: Um milhão de maçãs
Literally it's one million of apples. The word for million is considered to be a noun of it's own. I like to think of it as a noun of quantity, like a barrel or apples. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Esperanto word for barrel (barelo?) would be the object of the sentence if the word million were to be replaced by barrel, and would take the accusative, not the word for apples (pomoj). Esperanto seems to also have this feature.
Thank you for the really good explanation, clear and to the point. I don't comment often, but I always benefit from your clarifications.
You wrote "we have six millions of eggs".
So... my answer "We have a million of apples" should be right, shouldn't it ?
Duolingo doesn't want the word "of".
It's the difference between "one million" and "a million" (a million can be used figuratively as hyperbole).
Maybe I'm being thick here, but how does this answer relate to the question? The question was essentially "why does miliono need 'da'?"
It had nothing to do with hyperbole or the difference between "a million" and "one million."
Also, with the word da you can not turn to the next word in the accusative. And what Luis_Domingos means is *miliono is an adjective, and adjectives are not governed by acusative!
That's not what I meant, but I'll used that to make some remarks:
- Adjectives are governed by the accusative, but not numerals;
- According to this page, numbers with zeros after one million are counted as nouns and declined as nouns, which is why "miliono" here appears as "milionon".
Ohh yes, you are right, what I meant is adjectives are governed by the accusative!
Still nonsense - unless perhaps you meant "Adjectives are governed by the Noun they qualify,"
Miliono is a noun, not an adjective.
I've heard that prepositions govern the nominative, but I will go out on a limb and say that the phrase "adjectives govern the accusative" is nonsense. If I'm mistaken, please clarify what that phrase means - and if possible, show a link to the phrase in use.
The first noun takes the -n (accusative), the second noun doesn't because of the is a preposition (da).
this is either the people from the math problems, an affluent apple farmer, or people extremely intent on keeping the doctor away there is no in between
Give a man an apple, and he keeps the doctor away for a day.
Teach a man to farm apples, and he keeps the doctor away for a lifetime.
Must be the same person who bought all of those kilograms of tomatoes a few units ago...
I know this doesn't affect the meaning of "million", but is it more common to use the long scale or the short scale for numbers in Esperanto?
OK, back to the first question asked.... Is there any reason why the sentence, "Ni havas milionajn pomojn" would not be correct? I mean it's not as if Esperanto doesn't turn nouns into adjectives at times, with the adjective agreeing in number and case with the direct object: La artistaj infanoj faris gipsajn pomojn.
I think you still need the accusative. So to say we have millions, you would use "milionojn"