Weekly Incubator Update: Tracking Progress from May 24th to May 31st
Another beta launch!
Now Esperanto too joins the beta world and as is customary these days, several Duolingoers have already breezed thru the tree. Congratulations julesmGGF, sheldolina, and the rest for achieving your Esperanto Owl status!
Approaching the one year mark.
The next week's update will mark the anniversary of WIU from 'yours truly'. Yes, I do have the promise from the Duo team about having Hindi in the coming week and I am excited to report it in the anniversary edition :) For now, I just wanted to inform that there will be an anniversary edition next week!
Median continues to be reported
The value of median should have been zero for the last week. (Corrected). This week too it is the same. Following your input from last week, let's keep it.
I happened to search for "Weekly Incu" on Google. Yes, that is right. Google fills up the search box with "Weekly Incubator Update". Isn't that wonderful! :)
Thought for the week
PHASE 1 Progress: Total 23 courses
Esperanto for English - 100% | 99% | 100% | BETA (+0)
English for Thai - 90% | 91% | 91% | 91% (+0)
Russian for English - 82% | 84% | 85% | 85% (+0)
Hungarian for English - 80% | 80% | 80% | 80% (+0) ^
German for Turkish - 72% | 74% | 74% | 76% (+2)
Spanish for German - 68% | 69% | 71% | 72% (+1)
German for Italian - 70% | 70% | 69% | 70% (+1)
French for Italian - 63% | 65% | 65% | 65% (+0)
German for Portuguese - 62% | 62% | 63% | 65% (+2)
Spanish for Italian - 60% | 60% | 61% | 61% (+0)
German for French - 58% | 59% | 59% | 63% (+4) *
Spanish for Chinese - 48% | 49% | 49% | 49% (+0)
Spanish for Russian - 43% | 45% | 49% | 52% (+3)
Swedish for Russian - 40% | 41% | 41% | 41% (+0)
French for Chinese - 39% | 39% | 39% | 39% (+0)
Vietnamese for English - 32% | 33% | 36% | 37% (+1)
Romanian for English - 33% | 35% | 35% | 35% (+0)
Polish for English - 32% | 32% | 32% | 32% (+0)
Greek for English - 21% | 25% | 28% | 29% (+1)
Hebrew for English - 13% | 13% | 14% | 15% (+1)
Klingon for English - 8% | 8% | 8% | 8% (+0)
Catalan for Spanish - (New) 1% | 4% | 5% (+1)
Yiddish for English - 3% | 3% | 3% | 4% (+1)
Mean - 1.04% | 0.8% | 0.76% | 0.78% (+0.02)
Median - 1% | 1% | 0% | 0% (+0)
Mode - 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% (+0)
* This week's Leader Extraordinaire!
^ The Hungarian team's progress is as per their own calculation.
Here's what the contributing teams have said during the last week:
First of all, We would like to say THANK YOU to all the enthusiastic people who want to contribute to the Hebrew course! We EXTREMELY appreciate this!
As we've already said, we will add new people when we reach 20% (We're not sure yet how many).
And for another topic: for those of you who have Facebook, you can join our group, ask questions about Hebrew and share with us your Hebrew learning experience!
You can join our Facebook group here!
That's all for now! Stay Tuned! (And Abraham's Camel has ran away - AGAIN! -_- )
Love you guys!!
Team Hebrew <3
Progress Update #3
You may have noticed that our recent progress has stalled. This is due to the fact that most of the people in our team are students who are now busy preparing for their final exams. This does not mean that we have forgotten about the course. Do not worry, we are going to start working harder very soon! :)
Thank you for understanding.
De mica en mica, s'omple la pica
Literalmente "poco a poco se llena el fregadero/la pila". O lo que es lo mismo, avanzamos poquito a poco, pero avanzamos. El "esqueleto" del árbol en castellano (español) nos facilita mucho la tarea, pero queremos que la experiencia de aprender catalán sea especial, por lo que realizaremos modificaciones en los próximos días para adaptarlo a un mejor aprendizaje.
Say Hei to Fveldig!
Please give a warm velkommen to fveldig, our newest contributor! A native Norwegian, fveldig has been a major force on the Norwegian forums, providing help to learners at every turn. We're happy to have you on board!
Roughly a week into beta, our reports rate has fallen about 65%, to a rate of ~9.2 reports per hundred users.
Reports: 9.17 per 100 users
Please keep those reports coming! A special thank-you to native Norwegians who send us (free-write) error reports. We appreciate all reports from everyone, but those are especially welcome.
What a wonderful week it's been!
Med vennlig hilsen,
~Det norske laget~
Первый рубеж преодолён!
С удовольствием публикую первое обновление для тех, кому не терпится попробовать себя в курсе шведского языка для русскоязычных пользователей. Последние недели мы медленно, но верно приближались к преодолению первого рубежа создания курса, и вот, он преодолён!
Работа идёт не очень быстро, но это и не удивительно. Дело в том, что мы готовим для вас нечто особенное. Основываясь на опыте создания курса шведского языка для англоговорящих, мы пытаемся избегать допущенных там ошибок и тщательнее продумать логику преподавания различных аспектов шведского. Хотя мы формально и ориентируемся на тот курс, многое необходимо переделать, хотя бы даже из-за того, что от русского шведский отличается, конечно, намного больше, чем от английского. Тем не менее, мы уверенно движемся вперёд. И конечно, мы были бы рады новым людям. Присылайте заявки, если ваши знания шведского и русского достаточно высоки, и, может быть, вы попадёте в нашу дружную команду!
-- AntZoo, Arnauti, Anrui
In beta: 10,000 Esperanto learners in 48 hours!
Hey everyone, I just realized in all the beta launch excitement, I didn't yet update the most logical place: the Incubator itself! It's been such a whirlwind of activity and I just want to say our team has been overwhelmed by the enthusiasm and positive energy from this community. It's been greater than we could ever have imagined... thank you so much for your support!
Reports, Reports, Reports: Needless to say we've been inundated by reports, which is a very good thing, keep 'em coming! However, this also means that if we haven't added the alternative you reported, we don't hate your way of speaking, we just haven't gotten to your report yet. Our basic strategy is to look which skill has the most reports, then deal with the sentences with the most reports for that skill. While we feel this is the most effective way to work, it does mean we may not yet have reached your report, which is obviously the most important report in the world. ;)
So, please bear with us and be assured that we will eventually handle your report. Having said that, we are considering adding more people to our team to handle the load. Would you enjoy processing these reports? A native English speaker? You're passionate and very knowledgeable about Esperanto? Four free hours to spare each week? If yes, then please apply to join our international team for the ride of your life.
Having said all that, I want to give a heartfelt thanks to everyone in our core team for their hard work and dedication: RuthKC, Ned61, flyver and gxeremio. Also, a shout out to our former contributors, Swdreamk33 and Dejo, for their countless hours creating the course! I want to thank our mentor Vivisaurus as well as our former mentor Ker, we couldn't have done it without you. Last, but not least, I want to thank galachef55 who has been lending her skills as a technical writer to carefully go over all the Tips & Notes (we're currently up to the Clothing skill). I'm also grateful to our mysterious voice who beautifully recorded our sentences, great job! And of course, thanks to all of our amazing learners who are helping us every step of the way to make the path lighter for those who follow. Ni amas vin!
TL;DR Esperanto is out in beta. Duolingoers now have a chance to have as many as 14! language flags against their name. And several of them already have achieved this feat! A special edition of WIU coming up next week.
The next update is expected on Sunday, 7th of June, 3:00 pm UTC.
Previous Update 17-May to 24-May
Thanks for the update, Jiten! And congratulations on your anniversary :P I can't wait to see teams progress faster as the summer season starts!
Either that, or the progress slows down because everyone is off having fun.
that makes my imagine a team of incubator contributors sitting on the beach with large computer desks.
Thank you for your update Jiten, I am looking forward to competing with your team ;)
Hmm... 37% vs "< 0%" at this point of time! Is that a fair start of the race, Trang? ;-)
But, hey! lets's bring it on!!! :)
Thanks a lot, jitengore, for this update! Google search... You are even more famous now ;-)
Team Esperanto: Your course is amazing. I only completed the first checkpoint and will continue to proceed in 2 weeks, but the lessons are not too challenging and the tips and notes are amazing. You did a really, really great job so far and I hope that you will reach 200,000 Esperanto learners by the end of 2015 =)
Team Spanish for German: I'll hope to start learning Spanish with your course from late August on. I'm sure that your course will be great as well! =)
Team German for French: You are this week's leader, awesome! I cannot wait to do the reverse course of your beautiful French course =)
Catalan for Spanish: All the best to you as well! A lot of users waited patiently for you and I hope that you will create a well-thought course as well =)
Slow week: Many course contributors are currently learning Norwegian, Ukrainian and Esperanto... No surprise that this is another slow week =)
Hi Alex, thanks for mentioning that the German for French team is the leader extraordinaire for this week. I am making their record bold now.
Oh my goodness! It is wonderful that Google associates me with Duolingo :)
No better compliment than that!
I hope that Polish is not going to stop doing progress like last year. Greek Team if you see this message : You're awesome all of you Hebrew Team : You are also awesome and Esperanto team : Thank you for the course, it is my favorite ! Finally German for French : I cannot wait to try your course ! I asked German several time and now it is almost finished.
Datenshi_ZK, I am just adding the update from the Polish team that addresses and answers your concern.
What a relief. Even if I am not planning to be fluent in this language, it is quite an amazing language and I would be glad to test it one day. So Team Polish : Go ! I will be so glad to test your course !
Well, since the anniversary is coming up, I suggest you change the formatting of these updates somewhat.
For one, the current display of percentages has always seemed a little off to me.
There are two ways it could be improved:
90%|93%|95%- English for spanish
50%|75%|100%- German for english
_23%|34%|50% - Spanish for Portuguese
_33%|44%|66% - Swahili for Chinese
Maybe if we ask nicely Duolingo will change the darned ugly yellow highlighter to blue or green or something else :).
I think this month has had the most graduations from phase 2 ever, at least 3 new languages , and for the first time a new language added first to the incubator for non-English speakers. Also, since this will be a year of updates, maybe someone could create a home in the wiki for the updates.
I'm always for better ways of representing data, but I don't really get the two new ways you are suggesting. Could you elaborate on them, since I might not be the only confused one out there?
The first one uses a "
code" html tag to make sure all the numbers are aligned. The second one uses a "quote (blockquote)" to make sure the numbers are "almost" aligned. If you look at the "|" you'll see that they are all align properly, and there's also an underscore for the first character.
Also given that this weekly update has become huge, spacing is now a premium, so it makes sense to remove the line between courses.
Now that I've finally managed to create a duowiki bot, I may actually consider creating a page in the duowiki with the automatic weekly updates, although it would take at least a month to gather enough data to show it the way Jitengore does.
Thanks! So this was about the where the numbers and lines are, not which numbers are shown?! In that case, pheew... I was trying to figure out what the different numbers were representing (although one of the example courses doesn't exist yet). Haha, I never even thought about the alignment being wonky! Aren't we all different... :-)
Well, I'm sure someone probably though about the numbers being presented differently too, and I randomly added numbers and courses, that's why they don't particularly make sense.
Perhaps you had another idea on how jitengore could present it ? :)
I'm very happy with the graph, actually. (Although that one would be even more amazing if it could be opened as a separate page and thus be even clearer, as there are so many courses now and not a lot of development in every one of them every week.)
annika_a wrote: I'm very happy with the graph, actually. (Although that one would be even more amazing if it could be opened as a separate page and thus be even clearer, as there are so many courses now and not a lot of development in every one of them every week.)
Oh you can simply right click it, and "open in a different tab" then you can zoom it at your leisure.
As far as graphs are concerned, maybe experimenting with a line graph would yield more interesting patterns. Although given the number of courses it'd probably be confusing.
Ah, wow! Thanks! I'll be zooming every week now...
As much as I love a good graph, I'm not the most inventive one when it comes to making them...
annika_a wrote: Ah, wow! Thanks! I'll be zooming every week now...
As much as I love a good graph, I'm not the most inventive one when it comes to making them...
Well, then you should check out the wiki incubator statistics. There are a couple of bar charts, and pie charts that display different information, I actually ran out of ideas for charts that's why there aren't more :).
Thanks, Dessamator. In fact I have tried various alternatives in the past to avoid the one line spacing but none have panned out well. Even though putting the numbers before the course name is slightly odd, I will give it a try next week
It is easy to avoid it, simply add two spaces at the end of the line and press return to enter the next information, for example:
80%| 80%| 80%|80% (+0)
• Hungarian for English ^
72%| 74%| 74%|76% (+2)
• German for Turkish
68%| 69%| 71%|72% (+1)
• Spanish for German
70%| 70%| 69%|70% (+1)
• German for Italian
63%| 65%| 65%|65% (+0)
• French for Italian
Oh, that's true. Personally I think the above looks better comparing for comparing the progress. Although I dislike the yellowish color used by Duolingo, that's why I suggested the one using blockquotes , e.g. >.
It is actually possible to inject a script that will change that color for all users, although its an exploit I wouldn't want to add to it, and Duolingo might have patched it by now.
Don't think that's happening anytime soon. The forums are probably the lowest priority item in their to-do list.
Well, the news on the grapevine seems to indicate that there will be incoming changes to Duo's support, and so the forums may change in one way or another.
Please try to save your "They have a life, be patient, they do it voluntarily" comments and agree with me that to see how Hungarian course (doesn't) develop is despairing :(
Hey, please bear in mind that they have a life and... Okay, just kidding.
The truth is: All course contributors in the incubator can check the other teams' progresses as well. And, believe me, they develop the course every week! Creating a course requires more than adding sentences and they are in fact still developing the course. Furthermore, just progressing 1% is a lot of work: That means adding hundreds of sentences, reviewing a lot of stuff, adding other types of exercises a.s.o.
I can understand your concern, I really do, but saying that they stopped developing their course is wrong and not fair.
We can only hope it'll come sometime soon. (by sometime soon I mean anytime this year, really)
I gave up waiting and started the reverse course. But it's very hard without notes, definitely the hardest language I am learning here in terms of grammar. If we disregard the writing system, I'd say it's much more of a challenge than even Chinese.
Don't make your life hard by doing the reverse course, rather start with these: - Utalk Hungarian app - Memrise (especially "Hungarian with audio" courses - Pimsleur Hungarian - Teach yourself Hungarian - Assimil Hungarian
Thanks for the update! A whole year, wow! Thank you so much for all of the hard work you put in for this community! And, of course, a million of thanks to all of the course teams for their hard work giving you something to update us all about!
Yes! It is ultimately going to be a gift for (hopefully) several million learners who would want to take up the Hindi course! :)
Great to hear that, Luke! The response from the community has been quite overwhelming :)
You seem to have almost exhaustive list of language flags :D
I recall the image of someone holding a sign "You can do it!" at the Berlin summit...
You can do it! :)
If it is Sunday, it's gitengore incubator update day! I must say I look forward to it. Thanks a bunch, the info is appreciated! :)
Awesome! I just have one question: When will Duolingo put up a Catalan flag? And Yiddish, for that matter? I don't really know much (or anything, to be honest) about Yiddish, but Catalan has a pretty recognizable flag:
Or, they could use
The last two are actually independence flags, so I don't know if Duolingo would use them or not...
For sure the first one :D The last 2 could create problems, and here it's a place to learn languages. If we discuss political things we will end up not very well :D We want peace on Duolingo right?
When they are done designing it I guess. Maybe the graphics designers are busy with other stuff/features. My guess is that the flags are done, someone simply hasn't gotten around to adding it to the code.
They've been done with the Yiddish flag for a while, it's just weird how they haven't added it yet....
Another slow week :( . Also, you forgot to put up that Esperanto is not 100 %, but is in Beta.
Thanks Jiten for these weekly posts - I read them religiously! I would love to have more updates from the courses in Phase 2 that are most likely going to have a reverse course at some point - like Chinese, Arabic, Indonesian, Korean and Japanese and how they are doing in regards of reports / 100 users. Thanks to team Norwegian for providing their numbers this week. I am also courious how many hours in total it takes to get a course into beta. Is there any team that has tracked the time?
Of course everyone here has favourites, so a little shout out to team Russian! I have seen your progress is undulating aroung 85%, which means you are probably making some alterations to the course or checking for errors. I can't wait until it's finished!
With that tempo Vietnamese will be in beta in 2016. Pleeeaase, friends. I'm suffering(
I know it's coming but I can't help but keep seeing incubator. When will the wait end the last week of May ended long ago :'(
Is it just me, or the Swedish for Russian speakers course seems like will have the shortest tree as of yet? That is, 41% up to the first checkpoint. I hope this will be the case, because for a lot of time now I've wanted a condensed tree with all the information packed up in like 40ish skills. I'm tired of the conventional long trees, always get distracted before finishing them.
It just seems like we're already at 41% because the Russian interface is already in place. My estimate is that we are 10% finished with our course. We intend to create a tree with many skills – more than the Swedish for English course – but fewer lessons in each. I think it would be hard to teach all that grammar in fewer skills, but that shorter skills are more motivating to get through.
We intend to create a tree with many skills (...) but fewer lessons in each.
That is actually a wonderful decision! We wanted to do that in our new German tree as well, but that would've caused us a loss of too many sentences. But since you build a new tree, you can do that and this is a wise choice.
I'm glad you think so! We'll have more skills of the type Adj. 1, 2, 3 … now, but I'd rather do Adjectives 4 and Adjectives 5 with five lessons each than one long Adjectives 4 skill with 10 lessons.
I have done the Spanish for English course. It is an exceptional course, and I feel very grateful to that team's developers. While fewer lessons may be more motivating for some, I think the power of Duolingo lies in the motivation for consistency -- keeping the streak. If the focus remains on that, fluency develops. Adding more lessons and skills deepens understanding and allows one to continue the streak at the same time. I hope decisions will be made for all languages to deepen understanding of language and grammar. (Personally, I am complementing my Duolingo knowledge with Spanish newspapers and books.)
At the same time, everyone on this string is engaged with far more languages than I am. So cultivating different motivations may be key. One middle ground may be to offer bonus courses that people can buy with lingots. That way people who want more lessons can get them, and those who want to complete the tree quicker can get that as well. Of course, all that further depends on the already generous contributions of course developers :)
Hungarian are doing a lot of work. Even if they didn't win x % they are doing Tips and Notes and adding some words.