https://www.duolingo.com/nake89

"Ella presenta a su hombre."

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5 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/TinkyWinky

Was I the only one who found this sentence hilarious? This is mah mannn.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/purityrose

I agree. I HAD to click discussion for this one :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ssgeer

I think the best and most common translation of this sentence is "She introduces her man." This is one of many translations that are acceptable, but it's the one that makes most sense. As in English, there are many accurate ways to translate that depend largely on context.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/daweshillroad

I agree. We introduce rather than present partners, children, boyfriends, etc. "Present" is literal and not common in English. I'm only saying this because we are supposed to be trying to work toward an accurate translation site, not a literal translation site.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreasWitnstein
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Even more common is the present progressive “She's introducing her man”, because “introduce” is an action verb.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jfGor
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Really? It depends on context, and there is no context that she is in the mist of introducing her man.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreasWitnstein
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For English action verbs, the present indicative form is ONLY used for the habitual tense and the narrative present, and there is no evidence that she habitually presents her man, nor that this is one event in a play-by-play narration. Otherwise, the present progressive is used in English. Thus the use of the present progressive versus present indicative in English is quite different from that in Spanish — something which the Spanish+English staff at Duolingo hasn't caught onto yet (although German+English staff clearly has). See, for example,

http://www.studyspanish.com/lessons/presprog.htm

http://www.spanishdict.com/answers/109617/present-indicative-vs-present-progressive

http://www.appstate.edu/~fountainca/1050/unidad1/presenteindicativo.html

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zombiesue

Someone should suggest an article :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nake89
nake89
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"She presents her man." and "She presents to her man." are both accepted. Which one is more accurate?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michisjourdi
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"She presents her man." is more accurate.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Austin_Texas

Then why 'presenta a' instead of just 'presenta'? The 'a' doesn't seem to be doing anything. Would it be just as correct to say, 'Ella presenta su hombre'?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/spanish11235

You just have to remember that basically any time there is a verb with a person after it, "a" has to be there even though we don't say "to" in English. I think that "ella presenta su hombre" would sound weird to a native spanish speaker

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Austin_Texas

Excellent, that's exactly what I needed. Thank you.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreasWitnstein
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More precisely, whenever the direct object is animate.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jfGor
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To me, animate means living animals but the personal 'a' is used for people only. the only exception is for beloved pets. The personal "a" is not used when the direct object is not a person or is an animal for which no personal feelings are felt. http://www.studyspanish.com/lessons/persa.htm

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreasWitnstein
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@jfgordy: Yes, the Spanish accusative ‘a’ marker is indeed used for non-human animals as well as humans.

Not everything on the web is true. Unfortunately, the information on the "StudySpanish.com" you cite is misinformed, and their staff does not include any Spanish scholars or linguists. There is a vast scholarly literature on the animate ‘a’ in Spanish, commonly referred to as “prepositional accusative” (‘acusativo preposicional’), or “differential object marking” (‘marcado diferencial de objeto’) showing that the main factors determining the use of the accusative ‘a’ are (1) animacy, (2) definiteness, and (3) topicality. Specificity and number have also been proposed to play a role, but statistical analysis has cast doubt on these factors.

Animacy is a hierarchical concept, with humans being the most animate, and beloved pets ranking above other pets, and pets above wild animals. However, the incidence of accusative ‘a’ in Spanish is nearly identical for these categories, and even inanimate direct objects are sometimes marked with ‘a’ with verbs usually that usually take animate direct objects.

See, for example: http://ling.uni-konstanz.de/pages/home/kaiser/files/Heusinger_Kaiser2005.pdf http://www.lingref.com/cpp/wss/5/paper2511.pdf

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BarbaraMorris
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The previous sentence had "ella presenta su familia". ... Ohhh, is it because "family" is a thing, not a person?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/e4e5sesame

How would you say "she presents to her man" in Spanish?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Iago
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If you mean that as in its own sentence (meaning she presents herself to him) it would be se presenta a su hombre. But remove just the "a" and the meaning changes to "Her man presents himself/is presented".

If you mean as part of a sentence, as in, she presents him with a gift, it would be "A su hombre le presenta un regalo."

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/e4e5sesame

What you're explaining is reflexive verbs (when the subject and object of the verb are the same). My question is about how the ambiguity is dealt with when it is not clear whether a verb is transitive or not.

Perhaps a better example: "she presents to her boss." This is a common phrase in English, meaning "she gives a presentation to her boss." I would like to be able to translate this as "ella presenta a su jefe" but I suspect this would take on the meaning "she presents her boss."

Is there a way of saying "she presents to her boss" in Spanish, or must I say something like "ella da una presentación para su jefe"?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Iago
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I explained that as well in my above reply. The key is the non-reflexive pronoun. A lo/la, or no pronoun, implies direct object whereas a le implies a direct object. Your last example, if I'm not mistaken, would be better said something like "Ella le da una presentación a su jefe."

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreasWitnstein
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“She presents [herself] to her man.” = ‘Ella se (le) presenta a su hombre.’

“She presents [something] to her man.” = ‘Ella le presenta a su hombre.’

“She presents her man [to someone].” = ‘Ella lo presenta a su hombre.’

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/enricribas

in spain, hombre can mean husband as well. At least in familiar speaking if not officially.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gkhelfer
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Why not "She presents her husband?"

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jyjoo
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her man could also mean her boyfriend, or some guy who works for her, etc.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Helyn

because then it would need to say "esposo" instead of hombre which means man maybe

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dancerintheroom

In earlier lessons, "su mujer" was translated as his wife. Is this a convention for referring to wives but not husbands?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michisjourdi
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I'd like to know the same thing, dancerintheroom.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ainalem
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man/woman is "hombre"/"mujer" in spanish while wife/husband is "mujer"/"marido". The confusing part is that "mujer" has dual meaning (means both wife and woman). We have similar way in Swedish, where "man" means both man/husband. I guess esposa/esposo means spouse..

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mathieusoete

Could be because of historical reasons? Women were more often expected to be married (if not being a nun) than men, who could more easily maintain themselves in society being not married. So that could explain the dual meaning of "mujer" as woman/wife, compared to "hombre" which is only man.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Helyn

that is true, I feel words in Spanish have so many more meanings then in English.. we seem to be more specific.. i guess you just have to judge it on the context of the conversation. There are other times when i have translated a sentence that made sense in English using the dictionary hints provided and it has been marked wrong (maybe the creator hadn't thought of it) so i guess its just one of those scenarios.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Xiuhtecuhtli
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English is just as complicated, you're just more used to it :) Try explaining to a non-native speaker all the context-dependent possible meanings in a word like "girlfriend" (a man's partner, a lesbian woman's partner, a woman's platonic friend, a term of address from one gay man to another, also used ironically by women in phrases like "don't go there, girlfriend", and so on).

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/quecool

I agree -- this is strange.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mjacobs

hombre sometimes means her husband.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Iago
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Marido and mujer are the non-espos words for husband and wife. It's kind of like how in English they say "man and wife." Sort of.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scottann

Es el hombre su novio?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Austin_Texas

O su esposo. In English, "my man" would be more playful. Or more liberated/feminist, since it describes the sexual aspect of the relationship without describing its form (friend, regular boyfriend, fiance, husband). I would think that in Spanish culture, which seems to me more broadly patriarchal than the U.S. or U.K., it would be an even stronger statement of liberation.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Roger_Burke

Asking why can sometimes be useful with language except when dealing with exceptions which are very frequent. Asking why to the exceptions is a waste of time as the answers are lost in history. The rule with language is "What is, is." And to say something sounds funny only means you have yet to learn the language. Once you become fluent it will no longer seem funny. You heard about the two cannibals who were eating a clown? One said to the other, "Does this taste funny to you?"

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/richardymwang

I think "she presents her husband" should be accepted?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zlumpy

Why is "a" used here? "Present" in this sentence is a transitive verb. She presents her man. The "a" seems superfluous, if not downright awkward. My dad is speaks fluent Spanish as well and tells me it's a very weird construction.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gasiormichal

I thought the same thing. This "a" implies it's more like "she presents to her man".

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SusieY

It's the 'personal a' again! The verb 'presents' is acting on the person [her man] so the 'personal a' must be used. It does not translate into English but is absolutely necessary in Spanish. If something to being done to a person [or a family pet] [that is, the person is the direct object of the action] then the 'personal a' is used. I suggest you search for a better explanation than mine...

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/spazword

I thought a similar earlier sentence gave the option of translating "hombre" as "husband." No?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/elverano
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"she presents her man" and "she presents your man" are not even close meaning, yet both are correct

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreasWitnstein
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‘su’ can mean “her”, ”his”, “its”, “their”, “your [formal singular]”, or “your [formal plural]”.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dorisann

I agree, the sentence sounds unnatural. I have never heard someone refer to their boyfriend/husband as their "man" in natural conversation.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jfGor
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Since you have never heard it, perhaps you are from another Spanish speaking country (and there are many), that does not use this terminology. When we are studying Spanish, we have to understand that although we have not heard it ourselves, there are millions of Spanish speakers in the world. We just can't say that it is not a word or phase that we have not heard before. Just like English, accross the world there are many English speakers who use different words or phases that are not American or USA English. In alot of Spanish speaking countries, Hombre can mean a husband, or a very close love interest.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dorisann

You did not understand my comment. I don't think the sentence should be translated as "introduce her man". The meaning of "hombre" in Spain would be "husband". It could also mean "boyfriend" , possibly even "fiance". Translating it as "man" is literal and does not reflect the meaning of the word. I work with students from Mexico , Central and South America. I am very aware of the diversity that exists among speakers of the language.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sakasiru
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So I understand that this is a personal a here. But what if I want to say "she presents to her man"? Would that be the same or do I need a different preposition?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreasWitnstein
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See Iago's reply to e4e5sesame.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheTexan1984

For me she "meets her man" or she "introduces her man" should be correct!

5 years ago
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