https://www.duolingo.com/tbrownell

55%...no....56%....no.....55%....

Re-golded all my French skills yesterday and lost fluency.

Makes perfect sense to me.

June 1, 2015

20 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/hamstersrock7

This happens to me ALL THE TIME. SimoneBa, I agree with you, ignore it. I have no idea why it does that, but I'm gonna ignore it.

June 1, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/SimoneBa

Too right! I'm ignoring it so much, in fact, that I don't even know whether I've got it on my version of DL ;-)

June 2, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/hamstersrock7

LOL!!!

June 2, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Don_Cristian

what is this fluency thing.. I have completed the Spanish tree and done immersion to level 7, my exp in Spanish is 27,000. My French tree is also completed but I have exp maybe 3000, level 1 immersion, still the both languages have nearly the same fluency.

June 1, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/SimoneBa

The most sensible thing you can do is to ignore it. It's just a gimmick. DL can help with many things, but it cannot give you fluency. Only many, many hours of conversation with competent speakers will make you fluent in a language.

June 1, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Don_Cristian

I'm not expecting that Duolingo gives me fluency, the thing is that I want to know where there fluency rating comes from, on which data it's based on if it gives so confusing results.

June 2, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/tbrownell

I do ignore it, but I still find it amusing. I'm one of those people who love metrics to measure my "state." I won't say "progress" because clearly it measures nothing (for example, I am pretty much conversationally fluent in Spanish in real life, much less so in French yet I'm 20 points better on the latter in Duo.)

It seems to me that Duo likes to mess with motivators, yet in order for a motivator to be effective, it has to be believable. Which this one is humorously not.

June 2, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/SimoneBa

Exactly my point... it took me two years of living in Spain before I became reasonably fluent, and I had studied the language before.

June 2, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/hammingweight

I'm hoping that this fluency rating flunks the A/B test. Acquiring XP (or lingots) is really just a game score. The fluency rating though has delusions of grandeur and suggests that this is more than a game.

June 3, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/french4lcc

I've discussed somewhat with moderators of Duolingo what it is they really seek to accomplish. There does seem to be a push for a linguistically pure understanding of French language. But I do wonder what all the sudden drop in standings is all about. Hey, I pass all the skill tests, get my 5/5 for that week, then maybe wait a few days before returning to Duolingo exercises, then upon my return, see that my standings have dropped below 5/5, and I need refreshing again? In just a few days, not even a week? In a few days, I'm not as fluent as I was those few days ago? Sheesh, does that mean I don't have as much linguistic purity either? WHOA! Somebody stop this merry-go-round with the flux in standings.

June 3, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/tbrownell

This aspect of Duo is really irritating to me. I understand the idea of motivating people by "golding" skills, and then having them "ungold" for the purpose of driving continuing practice. But....I have always found it silly that I can go in and do an exceptional job on one of the easy skills, only to find it in need of practice again, the next day. I'm now 349 days into French, I've redone the tree twice, and to me it's preposterous to have to go back to Phrases 1 and re-train. For metrics to work, they have to be believable, consistent and clear in their purpose. None of Duo's motivational methods work once you've completed the tree. For me anyway.

June 3, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/french4lcc

Yep, I have not found an acceptable explanation on the forums or by any moderators for why so SUDDEN of a change in standing on exercises once you've aced them. Hey, what if after you aced an exam in some class, the instructor came back within a day or two and said, "I've dropped your score 15 points so you can be motivated to study harder." How is backtracking my score going to motivate me to try harder? And then just to have the instructor backtrack me again on the NEXT exam???

June 3, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Daoist-Papa

52% fluency... I take a TIMED re-golding test and get 100% (all 20 answers) right, and back to the home screen and I am 51%!!! Go figure. I feel your pain. It is hard not to take notice of it and want to improve it but I am trying to ignore it like the others on this discussion recommend. You would think that the algorithm would be showing you mastery of the DL material in that language but I can't explain why my example would happen if that was indeed the case.

June 3, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/tbrownell

I agree, we can all ignore it. But I come from a long career in engineering where numbers usually mean something. It irritates me when they don't appear to.

June 3, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Daoist-Papa

Totally agree with you.

June 3, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/french4lcc

Others on Duolingo discussion forums are discussing this, some even more critically. Check out the following link: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/8726201

June 4, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/tbrownell

Thanks for that link. It appears they don't know what they're doing with it.

June 4, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/french4lcc

yep, a work-in-progress. But one I hope they smooth out. Besides, I do like the accessibility to all that Duolingo offers.

June 5, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/tbrownell

I do too, Duo is a great resource for skill building.

June 5, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Marc_B

If you wait a while and then refresh it then it should go back up the percent that you were at.

June 11, 2015
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