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- "La kato ludas per la fadeno."
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A thread is a thin string, like you use for sewing. In Esperanto, fadeno can be thread or yarn, which is thicker and used for knitting.
A forum thread is a series of public messages. It's as if they're all sitting on a string in certain order.
Edit: I noticed this morning half a dozen wisecracks and "accepted" posts. Those are really frustrating for people who are trying to answer questions. I see you do occasionally have questions. I would like to ask you as a favor if you want people to answer your questions that you cut back on the clutter posts.
It seems to me that "kun" is more accurately translated as "together with." It refers to two peers rather than an object being used for something.
Also, more specifically, "kun" can still be used for objects, but only if the thread was playing with cat as well.
No, "kun kune" is odd and unusued. It would actually mean "with together".
"Together with" is a way to make explicit the difference in English between two possible usages of "with" ("I'm playing with my little brother/with a toy" > kun vs per).
"Kune" is "together" as in "My little brother and me are playing together".
Word for word translation is the exception, not the rule ;P
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Yeah, i'm also wondering if "kun" could be used in this case?
Edit: Nevermind, apparently "La kato ludas kun la fadeno." is also correct.
The section notes suggest that 'per' is used for a tool or device, so "la kato ludas per la fadeno" means "the cat is playing with the thread (its plaything)", while "la kato ludas kun la fadeno" implies that the thread is playing with the cat, as well.
"Se vi ludas tro longe kun la fadeno, la fadeno ankaŭ ludos kun vi"
"En Soveta Rusio, fadeno ludas per VI"
If the cat gets wrapped in the thread whilst playing with it, then the thread is definitely playing with the cat.
For those asking about the difference between kun and per, Logano and I talked about it a bit here. The link should take you right to the relevant part of the video.
https://youtu.be/Wvn9wTaw6IM?t=59
https://youtu.be/Wvn9wTaw6IM?t=59
As a note, you shouldn't let cats play with yarn or other balls of thread as there are risks of entanglement, choking, or internal blockages.
Yes, absolutely!
More detail here: https://blogs.transparent.com/esperanto/keys-to-understanding-esperanto-prepositions/
I guessed "yarn" and Duo accepted it, even though it doesn't show up as an option when you hover over the word.
quelle est la différence entre per et kun？est-ce que kun ne s'utilise que quand il s'agit d'une personne?
merci , you can just simply use english. I just want to ask about the difference between per and kun.Am I right in thinking that per is used for a tool ,whereas Kun for a person ?
Close. It's also possible to speak kun kuraĝo or drink coffee kun kremo.
- per = by means of
- kun = (together) with
I think amada_grace might have some kind of knowledge of Latin because instrumental case is fused in to ablative case in Latin and the noun will take ablative declension for such duty.
This question was asked and answered in this thread a year ago. Look for EteroPetol's question - Why isn't it "fadenon"?
I think this has a downvote because this question is answered elsewhere in the thread.
