"Multaj bonuloj laboras en ĉi tiu laborejo."
Translation:Many good people work in this workplace.
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I used "factory" and it was marked down. I suppose a factory is a workplace but not all workplaces are factories.
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"Ulo" is more like "person/guy/fellow/chap/bloke/dude" (only gender-neutral). But yeah, "homo" is more like "human".
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Ulo can stand on its own, though. See the other comments for details.
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ĉi tiu - means "this," but literally, "this that." Is that simply a grammatical oddity? Do other languages have something like this?
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Yes, other languages do this. For example, in French ce is used with masculine, singular nouns. It translates into English as this or that. If you want to be more specific and mean this you put -ci on the end of the noun. If you want to mean that you put -là at the end of the noun. So, ce garçon can mean this boy or it can mean that boy. However, ce garçon-ci means this boy and ce garçon-là means that boy. (It applies, too, with the masculine singular before vowels, feminine and plurals: cet, cette, ces and cettes.) Admittedly, in French ce/cet/cette/ces/cettes and -ci or -là are separated but the principle is the same.
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I'd forgotten that French does that. Thanks for the refresher!
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"Celui-ci" et "celui-là", c'est pas synonyme ? Quelle est la différence ? And same question for english. "This one" and "that one", what's the difference? I'm french speaker, by the way.
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Si quelque chose est à côté de toi, tu dit "C'est ici".
Si quelque chose est loin de toi, tu dit "C'est là bas".
Ils ne sont pas les mêmes.
And in English, "ici" is "here" and "là bas" is there.
This one here, that one there.
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We were talking about making it clear whether you mean "this" or "that" in languages that do not make this clear as in English. No one mentioned more complex expressions such as "this one", etc.
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Logr8 asked,
"Celui-ci" et "celui-là", c'est pas synonyme ? Quelle est la différence ?
Which means, "This one here" and "that one there" aren't synonyms? What's the difference?
That is the question I answered.
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According to https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C4%89i#Esperanto, it comes from the French and Italian proximal pronouns.
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That's ĉi per se, though. The question was about the phrase ĉi tiu as a whole.
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Well, you'd really have to have a French speaker chime in to be sure.
One of the examples given for ci is cet homme-ci ― this man. Using Google Translate (gasp, the horror!), it shows cet homme as that man and cet homme-ci as this man. So the Esperanto usage seems to match.
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What exactly is meant by "good people" as this is weird to say in English, or is this just being to get familiar with the -ulo affix.
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I am a little confused and getting more so daily with this "regular" language. If ulo is a noun meaning people why is it not qualified by the adjective bona so that bona ulo means good people? Why must it be bonulo?
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I've reported this But i wanted to check with you all as well, I've chosen to test out the word Samaritan (as in good samaritan) for bonulo. What do you think of this translation?
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I wouldn't use it.
While I'm sure that Samaritans all like to consider themselves good, not all good people are an adherent to an ancient offshoot of the Jewish traditions.
Nor are all good people performing charitable acts for strangers.
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Yes it's a term that was derived from that parable and seems to be a name for an ethnic group, but in english (like the term vandal) it has a cultural meaning along the lines of "a good person".
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Except it's not. The term is "Good Samaritan" and it doesn't just mean "a good person", it means specifically "a person who does an uncalled for kindness to a stranger he had no obligation to help."
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"workplace" is not a natural English term, most native speakers would say "office" or "job".
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Workplace is used all the time in English. It's not the most casual or precise terms, but is still common.
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"Workplace" isn't at issue here; it's the sentence being unnatural when translated into English. It's like talking to a robot. If you knew what kind of workplace it was, you'd specify office, factory, school, garbage dump, etc.
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It's like talking to a robot.
It's like talking to a Human Resources rep.
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Since I found 'laborejo' was considered too general to be translated 'office' in another sentence, here I just went for '...work here' but that wasn't accepted.
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It's getting confusing because they're not using workplace the way it would be used in English.
