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Dio gardu nin!
La celo de esperanto ne estas anstataŭi iujn ajn lingvojn, nek fariĝi la sola lingvo sur la Tero, sed servi kiel la komuna dua lingvo por ĉiuj homoj. Tiel ĉiu lingvo estos egala kaj neniu kulturo havos maljustan avantaĝon super alia.
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Mi tre amas la anglan, sed mi pensas ke neŭtrala lingvo en la mondo estas pli ĝusta.
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That doesn't make sence, but if you wanted to express the one below, then you need to use it like this:
"Mi s'atus, se la plejparto parolus Esperante" - I'd like, if the majority would speak Esperanto.
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Just to be clear, "revo" means dream as in ambition, aspiration, hope, goal. The kind of dream you have at night is a "sonĝo".
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"A dream is a wish your heart makes, when you're fast asleep..." (song lyrics)
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Am I the only one who nearly wrote a dream has me? I love this reference though.
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My (marked incorrect) "I am having a dream" just seems insignificant when I realize the reference they were going for...
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Since "revo" is specifically an aspiration-dream and not a sleeping-dream, it would have to be "I have a dream" even without the Dr King reference.
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It seems that revo is a dream only in the metaphorical sense, not literal. Nobody says "I'm having a dream," in the metaphorical sense, and you'd be asleep if you wanted to say it in the literal sense.
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It comes from the same root as reverie, which can be either a daydream, or a dream from which you build a goal. If the sentence meant a "sleeping dream" it would have been «sonĝon havas mi»
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Sure one can. :) Word order is free in Esperanto (but sometimes not every word order will do, like with conjunctions &c.).
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Why the inversion here? Does it mean something else than "mi havas revon"?
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Why here? Because why not? :D
It literally means exactly the same as mi havas revon, havas mi revon, revon mi havas, mi revon havas and havas revon mi. However, liberal word order allows one to emphasise certain words without breaking the flow or the nice rhythm of one's speech and I imagine that in the case of revon mi havas the intent was to stress the revon in a way, that would sound clunky with other possible word orders, at least in the mind of the speaker.
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Also, if you say it aloud as Revon havas mi the last syllable is more stressed than it would be in Mi havas revon which matches the intonation of the original speech better.
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True, but this also sounds pretty f'd up- "...ke nigraj infanoj kaj blankaj infanoj..."
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I think this is another of DUO's "easter eggs" -- little surprises from well-known phrases. In this case I hear Martin Luther King's "I have a dream." The inversion gives it that extra oratorial touch that King brought to all his public speaking. A really sensitive bit of translation, methinks.
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Ke la filoj de ekssklavoj kaj la filoj de ekssklavhavantoj povos sidi sin kune ĉe la tablo de frateco.
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For a second, I thought it said "A dream has me." Sounds ethereal, like song lyrics.
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I have a dream that duolingo will offer course as native Esperanto speakers...
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Revon havas mi, ke iu tago ĉi tiu lando reviĝos kaj vivos la pravan signifon de ĝia kredo: "Ni portas ĉi tiuj pravoj por esti mem-evidenta, ke ĉiuj homoj estas egala."
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Word order is very flexible in Esperanto, and that's why there is the accusative. It translates literally to English as A dream have I, but the most correct translation is I have a dream.
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So like in latin, you can say him hit she and mean she got him
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"A dream I have got"? That sounds a bit too artistically creative, grammatically, for my taste; when learning a language at this low level :-)
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It's to remind learners that you can arrange words like this and still maintain the meaning of "I have a dream." Depending on where you're from and the native language of a person you communicate with, word order can really throw you off sometimes. I've personally experienced it talking to a Hungarian Esperantist, and I'd imagine it could be rough/difficult with an Arabic speaker.
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Yeah, but "A dream I have got" actually transcends communicative freedom within the realms of Englis, and enters Yoda terrains :-)
But, ok, it does give a good feeling for what is possible in some other language contexts, such as German and, in this case, Romance-centric languages.
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It's an essential part of Esperanto that learners have to get used to, as well. You wouldn't ask people to stop using adverbs or articles in English either, just because they might be a bit difficult for some. The course still tries to teach natural language (as funny as this might sound, when speaking about Esperanto).
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But it does seem like the subject does generally come before the verb in the sentences in the Duolingo course, with the object coming first only rarely. (though it occurs more often in questions, of course.) I think this is only maybe the second one I've seen.
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I believe you are right, but just remember this is an Esperanto course from english. Im doing the Spanish equivalent simultaneously and it definitely reflects the word order of Español.
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Which is why it's good to see examples that show when and how it's ok to change the word order sometimes
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You should free your mind of strict word order. There's no such thing, you will later encounter very, very complex sentences without the strict order as it is in English, French, Italian... You speak what comes to your mind in Esperanto, not as in French to satisfy word order. Free, free.... ;-)))
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As the great philosophers of Funkadelic used to say: Free Your Mind, And Your Ass Will Follow
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It is like topicalization in ASL. It can be used for effect, to draw attention to whatever the most important part of the sentence is, or just because it sounds better. (Think poetry)
