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"They went yesterday."

Translation:Elles sont parties hier.

December 27, 2012

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eunoia

Could you also use "Ils sont allés hier."?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

No because you would need to add where they "sont allés".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/knovs

Just for clarification: Since in English, the past tense of "they go" is "they went" one would think that in French, "sont alles" would translate to "they went." Is this not true, or is it that the French wouldn't use "sont alles" in this particle type of phrase? In other words, if I wanted to say "they went to the restaurant" I could say "ils sont alles au restaurant" but you would not answer, "oui, ils sont alles hier." Is this correct? (sorry, I can't type the accents)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

Verb "aller" whichever the tense used, needs at least a hint of "where to".

  • Therefore, if the English is "they go" -> "ils y vont" ("y"meaning there)
  • If the English is "they went" -> "ils y sont allés"
  • if the English is "they went to the restaurant" -> "ils sont allés au restaurant"
  • answer to a question (sont-ils allés au restaurant récemment ?): "oui, ils y sont allés hier".

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/knovs

Got it, thank you!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/gertruacion

So, is 'Ils sont y allés hier" wrong because 'y' is in the wrong place? Is there anything else? :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

yes (placement) and no (nothing else)!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Apfelle

I see what you're saying -- but Duo frequently uses sentence fragments, so it seems a little unfair to mark 'ils sont allés hier' (or 'elles sont allées hier') as necessarily incorrect. Yes, at that point you couldn't add in 'y' or the name of a location to make it a proper sentence (as they would have had to be put in before 'sont' or before 'heir', respectively), but suppose it was a question: 'où est-ce qu'ils sont allés hier?', or 'pourquoi est-ce qu'elles sont allées hier?'.

So while your point is valid, I'm not sure I see why using 'aller' doesn't still fall within the Duo parameters of correctness.

Then there's also the issue of Duo's suggested translation, which uses 'partir'. I really question whether or not it's wise to equate 'partir' with the English 'to go'. It seems to me much safer to translate 'partir' as 'to leave' -- and to understand that the slight overlap between 'partir' and 'aller' is much the same as the slight overlap between 'to leave' and 'to go'.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

"où sont-ils allés hier ?" is correct because you have "où" (destination/place).

"pourquoi sont-elles allées hier ?" is not correct because you have no mention of a destination. The correct sentence would be: "pourquoi y sont-elles allées hier ?"

Again, verb aller being also used to state or inquire about people's health (comment vas-tu ? je vais bien, etc.), when the verb is used to mean a movement, it needs - at minimum - a hint of "where to" or even "where from" in the reflexive form:

  • j'y vais, je vais là-bas, ils y vont, ils vont là-bas,
  • vas-y !, allons-y !, allez-y !
  • je m'en vais, ils s'en vont ("en" = from here)

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Apfelle

Oh wow -- I actually meant to drop an 'y' in my 'elles' example sentence, although now that I look at it again I would've had to disrupt the original / bold / Duo-given part of the sentence, so maybe it's best I didn't :P

And, yes, 'aller' has a lot going on. It still seems a better fit in this case than 'partir' -- unless the English prompt-phrase were to be changed to 'they left yesterday' or something.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

"ils partaient hier" misses something to make it correct because the imparfait is about a lasting action taking place at a specific moment (yesterday).

So, you could have: "ils partaient hier quand il a commencé à pleuvoir" (they were leaving yesterday when it started to rain)

In English, "they went" or "they left" means that the action is finished, with the addition of the date (yesterday)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cmetzner

Wouldn't then the corresponding English sentence be: "They left yesterday" instead of the one given? If duo would have asked to translate "They left yesterday" than I would have used "Elles sont parties hier"


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

Yes, and that's the case. That is why I said that the French imparfait does not work to translate the English "they left yesterday".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/coolhandskywalkr

Wouldn't "partaient" be translated as something in the vein of "were going" considering that it's imparfait?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

Right, but then the sentence would need some addition, like "they were going when something happened" = ils/elles partaient hier quand quelque chose est arrivé.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kiticka

"went" is past tense of "go", and go is "aller". "partir" means "to leave", i.e. different meaning. yet, ils sont allés hier was not accepted. Please, duolingo, get it fixed:(


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

In French "aller" by itself cannot mean "leave" or "go" as in English.

In addition, "ils sont allés" needs a destination but no destination will make it mean "they left/went away"

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