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This word order is occasionally used in English (as well as other typically SVO languages), especially in poetry or literature, or to show a special emphasis. "The lamp in the chest, he did not find."
mmmm sorry, i realise my question was not exactly the same as hellomidnight's. please be patient with me.
i had no doubt it was the lamp he was looking for and not the chest.
the english sentence can mean that he doesn't find the lamp in the box because the lamp isn't there but that he may find it elsewhere, or he doesn't find the lamp that is actually in the box because he doesn't look inside it. can't it? in both cases he looks for the lamp.
does the esperanto sentence make a distinction between the two scenarios and if it does, how? or am i misunderstanding the english sentence?
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So the word order can be changed like this, but what change does it have on the nuance? He can't find the lamp in the box, but in another place? It's the lamp that he can't find in the box? etc.
I answered: He cannot find the lamp in the box. Duolingo says I'm wrong. Their answer is: He doesn't find the lamp in the box. Their reasoning explains that the Esperanto original is "li ne trovas," not "li ne povas trovi." In that case, the phrase should say "li ne faras trovi". Ĉu ne? Sometimes Duolingo opts for loose translation, then sometimes they use literal translation. Kind of inconsistent. Perhaps I'm missing some nuance of Esperanto?
"li ne trovas" is perfectly valid Esperanto. Esperanto is not an English-centric conlang, so expecting a 1-to-1 word translation is as reasonable as expecting it from any other language. It is not a fault of Esperanto that English expresses the negated present tense of a verb as "does not x"; that is just a peculiarity of English. My favorite phrase expressing the qualities of English: "I before E except when not." (Your comment is probably really outdated. I wanted to respond for the sake of komencantoj who may later see it.)
Along the same line, this question seems to require a 1-to-1 translation (albeit with the word order arranged differently). "He didn't find the lamp in the box." seems like a much more colloquial expression of the idea here, or if there is a need to express the ongoing attempt to find the lamp, then "He can't find the lamp in the box." seems more natural to me.
I understand that the differences in tense may cause confusion if they accepted the colloquial English past tense. My point is that, if the need is really to translate the ideas, and not just literal word-for-word translations, this isn't a very good example to use for native English speakers, as it seems unnatural.
Or perhaps that's just my dialect of English, and others would disagree with me.