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"The granddaughters visit their grandparents."

Translation:La nepinoj vizitas siajn geavojn.

June 8, 2015



Why couldn't it be, La nepinoj vizitas ilia geavojn?


mi vizitas miajn geavojn

vi vizitas viajn geavojn

li vizitas SIAjn geavojn

ŝi vizitas SIAjn geavojn

ĝi vizitas SIAjn geavojn

ni vizitas niajn geavojn

vi vizitas viajn geavojn

ili vizitas SIAjn geavojn

If you used "iliajn" you would be referring to another "ili" (other people, than the "ili" the sentence starts with. That means that in your sentence "La nepinoj" would be referring to somebody else's "geavojn" not their own. (That goes for liajn, ŝiajn and ĝiajn as well)


So the possesive for Li, Sxi, Gxi, and Ili is Sia?


Sometimes. Sia is used for his own, her own, its own, and their own.

Consider if we have Bob, Dave, and Dave's cat.

His (Dave's) cat is black. = Lia kato negras.

He (Dave) loves his (own) cat. = Li amas sian katon.

He (Bob) loves his (Dave's) cat. = Li amas lian katon.


Note that "negras" means "to do the thing that Negros do." It should be "estas ❤❤❤❤❤."


I just edited my reply above. Hope that makes sense.


Well, the English is ambiguous without context (even though definitely most natural is to assume it is their own grandparents, it's not necessarily so), so Fingtam has a point - "iliajn" should also be accepted for this reason.

  • "Do the granddaughters visit the [contextually specified group of people]?"

  • "No, they visit the [contextually specified group of people]'s grandparents"

ie, they (the granddaughters) visit their (the group's, NOT their own) grandparents.

Convoluted and unlikely, but perfectly valid language.

For pedagogic reasons though I could understand rejecting it even though it's technically correct, contingently, as most likely most people writing "iliajn" are doing so for the wrong reason, and could do with knowing about the difference :s


Context is always tricky in the Duolingo course because so little context is given. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that sometimes the absence of context is context. Any native English speaker would understand "the granddaughters visit their grandparents" to mean that it was their own grandparents who were visited. The theoretical possibility of a context which could reasonably change that perception does not matter if that context is not presented.

I would argue that even your example fails

  • There are sailors there. Do the granddaughters visit them?
  • No, the granddaughters visit their grandparents.

Even in this context I have a very strong sense that we're talking about the granddaughter's grandparents.

  • Is John visiting Sam?
  • No, John is visiting his grandfather.

This would be John's grandfather.

Other cases could be contrived.

  • John is such good friends with Mary and Sam that he visits their grandparents. (Mary and Sam's grandparents.)
  • John is very close with Mary and Sam. Today he is visiting their grandparents. (Whose grandparents? It's not clear.)

All this put more simply - an ambiguous pronoun is when more than one possible antecedent exists. In this case, it's the lack of context which makes the pronoun unambiguous, since it's only through the addition of context that additional possible antecedents could be introduced. Since there is no other context, there are no other antecedents.


This really, really feels like "iliajn" ought to be acceptable.


What is the difference between nepinoj and nefilinoj? My dictionary indicates that both mean "granddaughters". I used nefilinoj and it was rejected.


I have never seen "nefilinoj" before. It looks as if it ought to mean something like "non-daughters"! Which dictionary did you find "nefilinoj" in?


Is there a way, as in the scandinavian languages, to differentiate between your father's parents and your mother's parents? Is swedish we would, in this sentence, use either morföräldrar (parents of their mother) or farföräldrar (parents of their father).

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