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"Ein Herz ist abhängig vom Menschen."

December 27, 2012

14 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/olimo

I wonder where they find these strange sentences... :(

February 13, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rldave790

The word "Mensch" can be singular or collective (e.g. person or people). Because it is masculine dative, it becomes "dem Menschen" (in nominative- der Mensch). Vom= von dem, so vom Menschen.

January 13, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fritsvds

Can anyone explain why it is "vom" and not "von". The explanation from duolingo was that "Menschen" is a masculine word (and then of course in the Dative case it gets an 'm' at the end), but to me it seems more like the plural form of "Mensch". I'm a bit confused about this one.

December 27, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/greenfire315

vom is the contraction of vor and dem. :)

April 22, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fritsvds

Yes, I understood that ;)

April 22, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/greenfire315

Oh yes haha sorry, look here in the weak inflection section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declension

It states how plural nouns in the dative add -en in the chart. I hope this helps! (unless you figured it out three months ago haha)

April 22, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fritsvds

The N-declension is something that confuses me quite often :) The difference between plural and singular becomes less apparent. Thanks for the info, hopefully it will become clearer soon. I guess the fact that "people" is plural, made me go for plural in the German sentence as well.

April 23, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/greenfire315

It confuses me also. I made the same mistake as you as well. Not to fret though, we will learn this! :)

April 23, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fritsvds

Yes, someday we will understand this =)

April 23, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/olimo

Should not it be "von den Menschen" or just "von Menschen" if "Menschen" is plural?

April 23, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fritsvds

It's not plural, "Menschen" is a singular noun with N-declension. See here for more info: http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/wp/nouns-articles/ii-5-weak-nouns-the-n-declension/

But it is confusing, because in other sentences "Menschen" might be plural...

April 23, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/olimo

Why is it "people" then?

April 23, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fritsvds

Yeah, that's the part that sucks about this sentence: "People" is uncountable and therefore in English a plural. "Menschen" is countable and can be either. I'm not sure why using it as a plural is regarded as wrong in this case, maybe it is a standard German expression?? I don't know. Maybe the native speakers can help us out with that.

April 23, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/olimo

As far as I understand, "Mensch" = "man", "person" or "human", and "Menschen" = people. Something in this sentence is wrong: either it should be "von den Menschen" and "on people" or "vom Menschen" and "on man" or "on person" or "on human being".

April 23, 2013
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